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BT, AND THE MESS I'M NOW IN. HELP

hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi all
In August, 2 bt advisors advised me to go onto Broadband and hour long phone calls for free. They both assured me that my bills would be so much lower. I had trouble paying the previous ones, and ended paying £20 a fortnight, and always cleared my bills in time for the next one.
I listened carefully to these 2 men, and happily went along with them. To my horror my bill is now £50 more. The charges alone are now nearly £100!!!!!!!!!!
I spoke to ofcom bt, and they told me that as long as I'm am paying something, then I would be ok. I explained that as christmas is coming etc, all I could pay right now was £10.
I have just rung BT, and they said this isn't an option. I have to pay this bill in full within a few weeks.I went through again everything that happened back in August, and asked if BT took any responsibility at all for this b...... mess I am now in. I spoke to a supervisor, and he has told me that it has to be paid in full, as I've done payments of £20 for the last six months. (They have always been paid though, before my next bill arrives).
I have tried once again to call Ofcom, but they are not open until tomorrow.
I am in such a state here. I don't know what to do. I am going to be cut off sometime in November as there is no way I can pay the full amount so soon.
Please help and suggest options of what I could do please.

Posted on: October 25, 2009 - 11:39am
Claire-Louise

Hi Alison
How frustrating for you. I can totally understand where you are coing from as I had a similar experience with advisers about power suppliers and like you listened to all they had to say and signed to have my power supplied by them. It was awful as the switch over was really messy and involved lots of extra expenses. The thing to remember is that these advisers are in fact sales people with a nicer name. They just want us to buy into their product rather than 'advise' us regarding our indiviual situation, especially in these hard financial times, companies are desperate to get our business and are all competing against each other. I have learned from my experience, never to sign up there and then, always read the small print and decided after careful condiseration. Hopefully this will end up being a learning experience for you too?!
In the meantime, are you now signed into a contract with BT for a period of time? Are they willing to let you switch to another package? The bad thing about BT is that they have an introductory fee for the ir products for the first three months and then the prices go up. is that what happened to you?
What about Talktalk? I know you can sign up with them using the BT connection, it might be worth looking into that as an option but won't work if you are contracted into BT. Otherwise citizen's advice might be useful.
I mentioned it on another topic about asking for the name of each of the people you speak to at BT etc and keeping a record of it. Then you can ask for the same person each time if you find an efficient person which really helps as you don't have to explain yourself each time. The only other thing I can think of at this stage is to put it all in writing and send it in to the relevant person (get their name from whoever you speak to on the phone). If you make a formal complaint then they will have to pay proper attention.
Goog luck C-L

Posted on: October 25, 2009 - 12:02pm
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi C-L
I have just sent BT an e.mail of complaint. Hopefully I will get an answer soon!
I have been sat pondering over what I can possibly do. I am wondering if perhaps I can change to another company, but then again I'm in a b...... contract for 18 months, (even though I haven't signed anything) this was all agreed over the phone. Do contracts stand up without a signature???
If I'm able to change to another company, I will still be in heaps of trouble as that means two bills to pay.
There was me feeling quite ok about this bill, because of what ofcom BT had told me. They are all a bunch of you know whats. I am angry, and now feel so down about it all.
Ever feel like going to bed, pulling the duvet over your head, and wishing everything would disappear?

Posted on: October 25, 2009 - 12:28pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Hi

I've no idea what to suggest here, other than seeing if CAB can help. To me, it sounds like you've been mis-sold a product, so maybe CAB can come up with a solution?

I know that doesn't help, sorry.

Posted on: October 25, 2009 - 1:46pm
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi Sparkling
I will wait on BT's reply. I'm guessing that the complaints department won't be open until Monday. I shall also speak to ofcom BT again tomorrow, and if no joy, then I shall ring Local Trading Standards (not sure if they could help). I shall search all avenues. If they took me to court, not only would they have the expense of that, the courts would see, (surely) that I can't possibly afford anything over what I am offering at the moment. I have just sat and worked out my expenses for the next two weeks, and my outgoings are higher than my incomings.
Time to dive under the duvet.
Take care
Alison
x :)

Posted on: October 25, 2009 - 1:57pm
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi all
Someone has just phoned from the complaints department at BT. I was surprised as didn't think I would hear until tomorrow. Don't know how many times i explained to her that I couldn't possibly pay this bill before christmas!!!!! I don't think they even listen let alone care. I am stuck with this contract, even though I told her I hadn't signed anything! (No getting out of that then). After speaking for 15 minutes, she has said she will put it down that the bill will be paid fortnightly, with a payment of what I can afford until Christmas. By this time, I had lost the will to live, so I'm just hoping that she does indeed know that I am not paying before christmas.
I ranted about the two advisors in August, and that they should never have told me that I would be better off with this so called deal, because realistically, I am now in financial trouble until the contract ends. This company really is a joke, and I shall complain some more about them, (though it doesn't get anywhere in the long run does it)?

Posted on: October 25, 2009 - 4:41pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi alisoncam

It is defintely worth going to Ofcom but you need written confirmation from BT of the situation (even an email). Another option is think about contacting Watchdog at the BBC. Verbal contracts are indeed binding but can they prove you have agreed to it? if not then there is nothing enforceable. You can also get a debt adviser appointment at CAB as these utility companies will tend to be more co-operative with an agency than an individual.

Posted on: October 25, 2009 - 5:10pm
lindsaygii

You need to get the local Citizen's Advice and also Trading Standards (based at the Council) involved.

Once they are in the picture then you aren't on your own against BT.

I have to say, it will be difficult. Someone I know works for the CAB and they say BT are one of the hardest companies to deal with. Personally I took to recording my conversations with them so I had proof of what they said. Extreme, I know!!

But the first thing you MUST do is go to Trading Standards AND to Citizens' Advice. If they told you the bills would drop, and in fact they went up, then they mis-sold you the new contract, which is illegal.

Take a diary of everything that happened so far, and make sure you keep one going forward.

O2 are offering a very cheap Sim-only contract at the moment, I think you should be able to keep a phone going without spending much on it. Think about options, as BT are rarely the cheapest.

Posted on: October 25, 2009 - 10:59pm
Claire-Louise

Hi Alison
I can only really echo what lindsaygii has said in her last post as she has covered it all. Keep records of everything, try CAB and Trading Standards and yes take it to BBC/Watchdog if you can. I also agree that they have mis advised and mis sold you this product and that is the essence of it.
Good luck C-L

Posted on: October 26, 2009 - 7:04pm
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

If only I could take out another contract!!!!! I can barely keep my head above water as it is. I don't have anything other than Income Support. Once bills are paid, and loans paid back, I don't have a pot to ....... in. I cannot claim anything from the sperm doner. He doesn't live in this country, so CSA can't help me at all.
This trouble couldn't have come at a worse time for me, with christmas nearly upon us and all that. But, like all of us in the same boat, I thank my lucky stars that I have a healthy happy child. Somehow, like everything else, I will pull through, keep smiling, (though I don't feel like it), and soldier on.
Thankyou to everyone for the advice.
Take care
Alison
x :)

Posted on: October 26, 2009 - 8:24pm
lindsaygii

I did make them release me from a contract, since they'd missold it to me. But it took months of stress. They are utter, utter b*st*rds.

Posted on: October 26, 2009 - 11:07pm
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

You are right there!!!!!! I am calling the trading standards today to see what they say first. I shall also ring ofcom again.
I think it was Louise who advised me to get letters etc, but unfortunately it has all been done over the phone. When I e.mailed the complaint to BT, I asked for them to send me an e.mail as a reply, but they didn't listen obviously, as they called me Sunday afternoon!!!!
If they don't release me from this contract, then for the next 18 months, I have to find another £33 a month, which is a huge whack for me.
Many things are meant to try us eh!

Posted on: October 27, 2009 - 8:12am
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

That's just the point, alisoncam, they try to avoid putting it in writing and yet ofcom often want evidence of an "impasse" before they intervene.

I hope you get some support from Trading Standards. I have found a site that might be helpful to you: http://www.consumerdirect.gov.uk/

Posted on: October 27, 2009 - 9:14am
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi Louise
Thankyou for that link. I have just e.mailed consumer direct with the complaint, so fingers crossed.
Thankyou again.
Take care
Alison
x :)

Posted on: October 27, 2009 - 10:02am
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi
Have just got off the phone from Ofcom. They have told me to write to BT, and that they have to respond within 8 weeks!!!!!!! If I still don't get joy, then I can ring Ofcom again. Wow, it's a lengthy proceedure, which i guess is what they want, as I'm sure some people would just give up!
Hopefully, I will get a response from consumer direct. Next I shall contact Trading Standards. Wish me luck, think I'm going to need it!!!!!!

Posted on: October 27, 2009 - 12:08pm
Claire-Louise

Hi Alison
Well done you for perservering and great to have some definited answers as what you need to do. At least you can do that and follow those steps which takes some of the stress of the unknown and sense of helplessness that comes from not knowing what to do. Keep us up to date and like with the CSA, keep pertering them. It is worth making a nots of when you write etc so you can know exactly when the 8 weeks are up and you can call them again.
And how are things going between the 2 boys? You are manging to do it all in one go - well done!
C-L

Posted on: October 27, 2009 - 12:28pm
lindsaygii

alisoncam wrote:
Hi
Have just got off the phone from Ofcom. They have told me to write to BT, and that they have to respond within 8 weeks!!!!!!! If I still don't get joy, then I can ring Ofcom again. Wow, it's a lengthy proceedure, which i guess is what they want, as I'm sure some people would just give up!
Hopefully, I will get a response from consumer direct. Next I shall contact Trading Standards. Wish me luck, think I'm going to need it!!!!!!

Alison, seriously, forget all that Ofcom 'you have to be fair to this enormous, rich corporation who are screwing you for all your money' nonsense.

Get Trading Standards in. Write to BT by all means, but do it AFTER you have shopped them to the law - that is, Trading Standards. BT treat everyone this badly, so believe me, you will be just one more person telling them the same story. I know this for a fact because the person I know who volunteers at CAB is my step-father, so I hear *all* the stories, and BT are the worst offender when it comes to screwing over their customers.

Ofcom aren't going to help you, are they? Trading Standards and the CAB may. You said yourself, they hope people will just give up. But you can't afford to, so go in with the big guns!

Posted on: October 28, 2009 - 8:23pm
Claire-Louise

Hi Alison
I must say I do agree with lindsaygii that you really need to fight BT on this. I think trading standards is the way to go really on the basis that they mis-advised you and mis-sold you a product that is costing you more than before when you wanted to switch to a money saving scheme. They have not put anything in wiriting so making it all very difficult to prove - even when you have specifically asked them to email you, they have failed to do so. With the recession on it seems like companies such as BT are really having to fight with each other to get our business and they are really hard nosed about doing it so we have to be as well if we want to win. Here is the website link for trading standards which might be worth a look:
http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/advice/index.cfm
Their advice line number is 08454 04 05 06 so you could ring and explain your situation and see what they say you can do about it.
Good Luck!
C-L

Posted on: October 29, 2009 - 11:12am
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi all
I received an e.mail from consumer direct this morning. (I had e.mailed them this week). A little while ago, Trading Standards rang. Apparantely consumer direct had passed my e.mail to them. Great service :D . I have been given steps to take, 1st, write to BT's complaint department, telling them exactly what was said, and asking for any transactions between me and them. 2nd step is ombudsman, again in writing. The woman from Trading Standards has told me to call her anytime, which I thought was lovely.
Off out now to visit sister, and do some cleaning. First stop, Macdonalds with my son. Promised all week to go Burger King, (I don't like that, so agreed on Macdonalds)!!!!
Take care all.
Alison
x :)

Posted on: October 29, 2009 - 12:38pm
lindsaygii

Excellent! Although I would have chosen BK.... ;)

Posted on: October 29, 2009 - 1:50pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

I would have chosen Subway :lol:

Seriously that is great that you now have a series of steps to take, alisoncam. At least now you can feel you're not alone

Posted on: October 29, 2009 - 5:01pm
Claire-Louise

Great news Alison! Good to have some proper steps to follow and have someone on your side. Keep records yourself if you can to cover every eventuality.
Enjoy spending time with your sister and having a MacDonalds with your son.
C-L

Posted on: October 29, 2009 - 6:07pm
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

McDonalds it was, and it was delicious. Tried Subway pizza before, and have to say it was awful, so kind of put me off trying anything else.
I definately feel that I'm not fighting this on my own now, and that helps so much.
Hope you're all having a good evening. Can't believe this week is nearly over.
Thankyou for the advice regarding this BT business. Keep watching this space. It aint over yet!!! :lol: :lol:
Take care
Alison
x :)

Posted on: October 29, 2009 - 10:06pm
Claire-Louise

Hi Alison
Glad your meal was a success and tasted good too. Nothing more annoying than paying for food and then not enjoying it!
Yes I can't believe how quickly this week has gone too - had so many plans and not quite got round to them all! Oh well, we have had fun for the most part.
keep battling on with the BT business and keep us in touch with how it is going.
Cheers C-L

Posted on: October 30, 2009 - 11:00am
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi all
Finally got round to writing a very lengthy letter to BT yesterday! Had the day on our own, so it was quieter here. I am praying like mad that something good will come out of this!
Am I right in thinking that if BT let me out of the Broadband contract, I will be able to sign up with Talk Talk. I'm sure I can use BT line for that.
I think BT is going to hold me for some sort of contract, or else I would have changed companies altogether.
Anyhow, will be sure to keep you all posted. Thanks again
Take care
Alison
x :)

Posted on: October 31, 2009 - 10:29am
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hello alisoncam

Yes we do hope so much that you can get this resolved. As far as I know, for any Internet Service Provider except Virgin (ex-ntl) then you need to use a BT line at the moment.

Oooh I didn't know Subway did pizza, I always have a yummy sandwich with all those spicy things in like jalapenos.Glad you had a good visit to Macdonalds. I agree the week has whizzed by.

Posted on: October 31, 2009 - 12:31pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Hi Alison

I'm so glad that you've been given some positive action to take with BT.

My fingers are crossed for you!

Posted on: October 31, 2009 - 9:20pm
Claire-Louise

Hi Alison
Well done for writing the letter to BT - are you able to keep a copy of it for you own records in case it goes missing along the way? As far as I know you need the BT line to sign up with Talktalk. I have Virgin so it is completely separate and my experience of Virgin so far has been good as you can negotiate prices with them if you can afford packages.
keep up the BT battle!
C-L

Posted on: November 1, 2009 - 1:04pm
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi all
After sending my complaint via e.mail, and then receiving a phone call from them the same day, I figured I had agreed to pay so much a fortnight until Christmas, then pay some more after. Maybe I figured that phone call all wrong, or imagined it or something, because this morning the postie brought me a final bill from BT !!!!!!
Are they complete morons or what?
I cannot even bring myself to call them at the moment, as I'm feeling quite angry with it all, and might regret what I say to them :evil:
I will have to call them tomorrow though, once I've composed myself a bit, (that might take a week where BT is concerned)!!!!
Hope you are all having a good day.
Take care
Alison
x :)

Posted on: November 2, 2009 - 3:31pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

These bills are generated many days before you get them, alisoncam and I imagine that the bill was in the system a while before your correspondence....... :x though!

Posted on: November 2, 2009 - 4:14pm
Claire-Louise

Oh dear Alison, How frustrating for you! Yes they do seem quite moronic but I agree with Louise that they use a different company/department for sending out the bills so that has probably been generated before you wrote or even spoke to them perhaps.
Does that mean that you can finish your contract with them though if they are sending you a final bill?
Yes it is a good idea to compose yourself before contacting them again but you might be better to keep all contact with them via email/letter rather that phone so that you have a written record of all you correspondence with them to try and keep it all clear and straightforward.
Good luck!
C-L
PS: How much of our time is taken up by sorting out problems created by other people/companies?????!!!! ARHHHHHH

Posted on: November 2, 2009 - 5:03pm
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi
I would need to pay the November bill, but I am still hoping that they will release me from the 18 month contract. Even if it is just from Broadband. Then, once the bill is paid, I can maybe look into Talk Talk.
To be honest, I don't really know what I'm thinking, so even this post probably doesn't make much sense :lol: :lol:

Posted on: November 2, 2009 - 8:29pm
lindsaygii

Keep it all written, no more phone calls, they don't note what happened, so it's as though it never did.

As for the bill - you have a legal right to make a small payment toward it to show good faith, while you continue to negotiate what you think you owe. This applies to any supplier, not just BT. If you have any doubts as to how that would work, speak to Trading Standards again.

Basically, if you are keeping in touch with them (which you are), showing a real attempt to resolve things (which you are) and have handed over some money to show your intention to pay (which I'm suggesting - *some*, not *all*) then they have no legal leg to stand on.

It's a pain in the arse, isn't it? :)

As for the BT line, yes, I think that's right, except for Virgin Media (which I have, it's better, but I think some phone calls are more expensive), everyone else supplies broadband through a BT line (£11 a month minimum). Sheesh.

Posted on: November 2, 2009 - 11:37pm
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi lindsaygii
Yes, I doing all of that. I've worried myself sick over this, but like you say, as long as i'm am paying something off it, then I'm ok. The problem is I will be in debt for ages with them if they don't release me from the contracts. This is my main worry.
If it's not one thing, it's another isn't it? To top it all, christmas is looming, (another worry).
Another hair dye coming up for more grey hairs :lol: :lol:

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Posted on: November 3, 2009 - 12:38pm
Claire-Louise

Hi Alison
That is great advice and good that you following it. I hope you do get released from the contract and good to kep checking back with Trading Standards too to ensure you are still on the right track.
Keeping plodding on with it, one step at a time. have you had a look at the budget calculator on the main, money survival toolkit site?
http://recession.onespace.org.uk/
Hope that helps.
cheers C-L

Posted on: November 3, 2009 - 3:56pm
lindsaygii

Don't talk to me about hair dye.... Maybe we should get together and buy in bulk! ha ahaaha! :)

Posted on: November 3, 2009 - 11:16pm
Claire-Louise

Don't forget to recommend any good prodicts on the new topic health, wealth and wellbeing! it might be worth looking on there before you get the hair dye in case anyone has posted anything about hair dye. Good luck with it!
C-L

Posted on: November 4, 2009 - 2:28pm
catarratto

Alisoncam,
Have you visited your local Citizens Advice Bureau? They can be an excellent help if you are in financial difficulties.
Re: Hair dye; Where is Henna? I used to use that and I can't find it anywhere these days!!!!!!!!!!
C x

Posted on: November 10, 2009 - 12:58am
Bubblegum
DoppleMe

Hello,

Try here for Henna.

: )

Posted on: November 10, 2009 - 9:05am
Claire-Louise

Wow what a great page about henna! I have saved it to my favourites as there are free patterns on there as well which are great. Thanks for the link Bubblegum! You are like a taxi driver of the world wide web with knowledge on links to everything!!!!
C-L

Posted on: November 10, 2009 - 5:53pm
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi catarratto
Thankyou for the post. Right now I'm too exhausted to deal with CAB. I know they can be excellent, and I will look into it, (promise). At the moment, I am lying low, waiting on BT's response. Burying my head in the sand if you like!
I think I'm now at the point where if I don't laugh about it, I will cry, and never bl....y stop. I'm hanging in there though.
How are you doing? I hope everything is going ok.
Take care
Alison
x :)

Posted on: November 10, 2009 - 11:47pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Don't blame you, alisoncam. :) , I would feel the same, best to save it for a day you are feeling a bit more :evil:

Posted on: November 11, 2009 - 4:15pm
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi all
As I'm typing this, I am also on the phone to BT!!! :evil: A little while ago, I received an automated call from them to my home, telling me that I hadn't paid my bill, and I will soon have the line restricted. Now, I have a bloody moron who says that my agreement with the woman in the complaints department a few weeks back, was that I would be paying my bill before Christmas :evil: :evil: I asked to be put through to the woman, (I have her name), and he tells me that they can't put calls through. What the ...........????
Now, I am going to e.mail her and demand that she calls me. No mention of my letter that I have sent to the complaints dept on the system.
Arrrggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Posted on: November 13, 2009 - 12:19pm
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Just got through to Trading Standards. They have told me to write another letter to BT explaining that I can't pay the full amount by the date that they want it by, and explain that Trading Standards is now taking up the case. I don't, to be honest, know if this is going to get me anywhere. Has anyone here ever dealt with Trading Standards before, and if so, did it make any difference?

Posted on: November 13, 2009 - 3:16pm
lindsaygii

That's weird, I replied to you, but the post is nowhere to be seen.

Basically what I said is - yes, leave it to Trading Standards. They are the law. BT cannot and will not EVER put you through to the person you were talking to before, and they never make notes of any phone conversation unless you walk them though it.

Don't talk to them. Let TS do it.

If BT call you, say you're out. Say 'she's not here right now, I can take a message'. Go on, just for fun, it makes you feel great! :)

Posted on: November 13, 2009 - 9:02pm
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi lindsaygii
No, you're not going mad. I copied and pasted the other post and put it in here, as I had posted in the 'hello' section I think. Thankyou for the advice. Today I am feeling a bit better as I had a good sleep, (which helps of course)
Keep watching this space, and I'll report if and when anything happens.
I hope you have a lovely weekend with your son. Weather is awful, so guess I'm staying put. I don't drive so i'm not hanging around for buses in this!!!
Take care
Alison
x :)

Posted on: November 14, 2009 - 9:19am
Claire-Louise

Hi Alison
I was wondering how things were progressing with you and the BT fiasco?! I really feel for you as it must feel like you are going round in circles and banging your head against a brick wall as you go?!!!!
I think the advice of involving the Trading Standards and letting them take the lead it a good one so follow their advice and see what happens. The thing about these call centre type places like Bt is that there could be hundreds of different people working there all giving slightly different information which just doesn't always add up and is just totally frustrating. I would keep everything in terms of communication in writing - the good old fashioned way and copy each letter you send so you can resend it if they loose it.
keep plodding on with it and come back here to rant each time you need to.
Cheers C-L

Posted on: November 14, 2009 - 5:17pm
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi Claire-Louise
Yes, it certainly feels like I'm banging my head against the brick wall, but I am going to let Trading Standards deal with it. If i've heard nothing from them on Monday, I will ring them, and speak to the woman that has contacted me before.
Hope you're having a fun weekend despite the weather.
Take care
Alison
x :)

Posted on: November 14, 2009 - 7:05pm
Claire-Louise

Hi Alison
Good decision - it is TS job to deal with these kinds of situations and it will take the pressure and worry off you hopefully - good idea to keep pestering them though. I am keeping my fingers crossed for you that TS will be able to sort this out in a way that is beneficial for you.
I have had a lovely weekend and really enjoyed the sotrmy, windy weather and then the lovely calm and sunshire we had today - quite inspiring really!
Keep us up to date with your progress on this one and good luck!
C-L

Posted on: November 15, 2009 - 8:26pm
catarratto

Hi Alisoncam,
I'm hanging in there and thanks for asking x
I have been to CAB recently and it is wearing getting bills together etc. but they really do fight on your behalf so it is good to take the plunge. Unfortunately it is cack being in a shitty situation with money. My car has just died, need to get a new one as it is detrimental to my job, but can't get one on finance due to it being a new job. If I buy another one, that's xmas money gone so bit of a no win situation really.
Oh to win the lottery!!
C x

Posted on: November 17, 2009 - 1:43am
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hello catarratto

EUGH! sorry to hear about your car, you don't realise how much you rely on them till they let you down do you? Hope you get sorted out one way or another, If you find it difficult to get credit then have you thought about a Credit Union? Have a look at this: http://www.abcul.org/page/members.cfm

Posted on: November 17, 2009 - 9:30am