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what to tell the children?

francesca

My daugther will be 6 next month and son is 3. Their dad left us out of the blue for another woman 8 weeks ago. I have been looking after the children 24-7 since it happened, as he is living in a friends house and has no space to have the kids even one night a week. My kids have seen their dad for 1 hour and a half a week, when he visits them at my in laws. My daughter keeps talking about how much she loves her dad, how wonderful he is...She knows he's left because he does says he doesn't love me anymore, but he keeps saying he loves the kids with all his heart!!
He abandoned us all for Xmas and paid for a expensive Xmas holiday in a ski resort with his lover, he brought my daughter a t-shirt with a picture of a girl that looks like his lover with a pair of skies on and that says "la plagne" the place they went to ski.
My poor child wanted to wear her t-shirt today, I felt so upset and told her that I hated it, she ask why and insisted on saying she loves her top because the picture of the girl is so beautiful and her dad bought it for her. I lost it and said: I hate the top because it reminds me of the woman your dad has left us for. I then felt so bad, she was upset, she didn't know that that was why he's left. She cried and she is now so upset. I don't know what to do, I said I was sorry I told her. It's terrible, I'm the one feeling so bad, he is the one having the fun and not having to deal with any of this.

Posted on: January 2, 2009 - 12:58pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi Francesca

What a horrible situation you have been in and how difficult it must be trying to hold it all together when you are feeling so upset and angry with the childrens' father. :( I am glad you felt able to post and share what is going on.

Your children are both very young and will find it hard to understand what is going on. They will both need a lot of reassurance: if Daddy has gone, will Mummy go too? They need to know that you will be there for them, that you love them and that you will keep them safe. You cannot change their father's behaviour, you can only change yours. That's a bitter pill to swallow, especially as you are the one who has been left to pick up the pieces. I do think it is one of the hardest things in the world to put your own (understandable!) feelings on a back burner in order to continue your role as the childrens' Mum, and you can't be on the ball ALL the time so don't beat yourself up if you occasionally "lose it", as you said you did. You may find it helpful to find an outlet for your feelings, have you thought about seeing a counsellor? You could access this through your GP or there may be other free/cheap counselling available in your area, or you could go to Relate (see http://www.relate.org.uk/NearestRelate.asp for your nearest branch)

You ask what to tell the children. You could tell them that Daddy still loves them and will see them when he has a proper place to live. This may feel like you are making things easier for him!!!! Another way to look at it is that it may make things easier for THEM, which is all to the good. And you could keep reassuring them, as above. I really hope you can find ways to look after yourself in all this, have regular breaks, say yes to any support from family and friends and take it a day at a time.

May I recommend a book to you? it is called "Putting Children First" by Karen and Nick Woodall and is available from Amazon or play.com or through http://www.separatedfamilies.org.uk, which is another helpful website.

Let us know how you get on.

Take care, Louise :)

Posted on: January 2, 2009 - 6:28pm
francesca

Hi Louise,
Many thanks for your support and advice. I will definately look at the book. In reference to counselling I have tried everything, but it seems that the long queues don't help. I'm waiting to see one but I may have to wait a bit (better than nothing).
Their father has just got a place and I suggested he took the kids this coming weekend and he was happy to do so. I have always said to the kids that even he does not love me, he loves them with all his heart (well, not that I think so, but anything to protect them) and they can talk to him whenever they want (I show my daughter how to dial from my mobile with my permission always first). I noticed that the children were very sad and worried about me also dissapearing, so I have from day one said that I will always be here for them and that I'm not going anywhere. My daughters knows that I always do what I promise (so I hope I don't get run over by a lorry!!).I have also taken advantage of any friend, and the members of his family (they are as shocked as me and supporting me and the children 100%, as he has stopped all contact with them - guilt??-). My family lives in Spain, I came 13 years ago, met him, felt completely in love and left my family and friends for him back there!
I don't know, I think that I must be positive and rebuild my live, I just feel so lonely (even I have lots of friends (married and with kids) and his dad and step mum supporting me). I don't know anyone in a similar situation as mine and I grew up in a happy family where marriage and family are the key points of live.
I'm worry about my kids thinking that separation is ok, that divorce is something that just happens to lots of people, that is ok to hurt people and start a new live leaving everything and everyone behind. I know they are very young so I don't know how to balance the fact that what their dad has done is wrong and at the same time it's ok for them to love him and have a healthy relationship, but I will definateley read the book.

Francesca :roll:

Posted on: January 4, 2009 - 11:56pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi again

It sounds as if you are doing your utmost in this situation, Francesca. I know it cannot be easy.

You mention that your friends are all married and you don't know anyone else in your situation. I wonder if you feel it would help to meet other people who are going through/have gone through the same? There are many contact sites on the Internet or you could look in your local paper. Another suggestion is to see if there are single parent organisations in your area. Go to http://webdb.navca.org.uk/home.aspx and type in your location and find the contact details for your local Council for Voluntary Services, who will have details of local support groups. Have you thought about asking your Health Visitor what support is out there? I am thinking of organisations such as Home Start, who will provide a volunteer for families with children under 5 who have extra needs for support. or your Health Visitor may know of activities involving young children that you could go to with your son in order to meet other parents.

I understand your concern about what your children may learn from this situation it it seems to say that hurting people and separation are Ok. However, I would just mention that a really high percentage of children are brought up in separated families (around 25% according to the latest stats) and so even if you do not feel that their childhood has not been as you would have wished, nevertheless it is not outside the norm. The issue about their dad's behaviour is another matter; they will make their own judgement of that in time and although it must seem to you as if you're constantly making excuses for him when he doesn't deserve it, remember you are doing it to benefit the kids, NOT him.

You are doing so well with the reassurance, it is the very best thing of all for them, as you have seen. Take good care of yourself.

Best wishes

Louise :)

Posted on: January 6, 2009 - 2:27pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Hi Francesca

I had been looking at One Space over Christmas - but not properly, it seems, as I've missed some posts.

You sound a lot more positive about things on this thread.

My children were older than yours when I left almost 5 years ago (they were 12, 10,8 and 5), and probably because their dad didn't do much with us as a family, they've coped with it all pretty well. I was as truthful as I could be in answering their questions, without running their father down. I have always told them that their dad loves them very much, just he's chosen a new life and is happy. Beacause he's happy then we can be happy for him (yeah right! But it works for them!).

Their father has recently married - this was his third fiance since we split up. I understand totally when you say that he's having all the fun. I still feel that! My children have not stayed with their father since August 2007, so it can be very tiring. However, if I'm honest, they seem to be more settled with things as they are now.

I do hope you've had a chance to discuss necessary things such as finances etc. I hope that he's decided to carry on paying for the children's education, as it is part of their lives that you can keep consistent. With my children, school was the only consistent thing they had, as ex had horrendous debts and I lost everything. My eldest son tells me that seeing his friends in school meant so much to him.

I'm glad you have the support from his family. My ex-father-in-law and ex-step-mother-in-law are fantastic with me and the children. I'd be lost without them (I've lost my mum and dad).

Sorry for going on so much!

As as Louise says, do take care of you too. Try and find a bit of laughter in each day, however small it may be. A day at a time...

Sorry for going on!

Posted on: January 7, 2009 - 3:32pm
francesca

Hi Sparklinglime,

Thanks very much for your lovely support. It really means a lot to me to have people giving me ideas and advice, specially right now, as it's such a hard time and I'm feeling so lost and sad.
He is not paying for the school, so I'm really worried about been able to keep them there, he just said he was not prepared to make that sacrifice (he wants to have a good life and fun). I have been working out my finances and if I live to the penny and manage to save over a £1000 a month I'll be able to afford it for a few years, but it's going to be hell. My family and his dad have offered to help a bit with the saving but I'm worried that if he finds out I have some money in a savings account he'll try to get half of it!
He's having the kids for the first time ever this weekend and I have demanded that he does not smoke in the house when the kids are there and that they dont meet his lover. He was ok about the smoking but said he was going to tell me before he introduces her to them, and that he was not going to do it just yet as she may be feeling a bit nervous about it!!
I'm so upset, so very sad and heart broken, I can't cope with the thought of my children been in contact with a person he's only known for a few months (a total stranger! ). I have never had anyone babysitting but my parents or in-laws as I'm really funny about who my kids are left with, and on top of that the person that broke our family. I'm going to have a terrible time without the kids and thinking about it this weekend.

Francesca

Posted on: January 9, 2009 - 12:19am
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Dear Francesca

You are really going through it at the moment and many of us here will be feeling it for you. It is such a difficult time, but please believe me, it will get better, often better than it ever was before.

It is such a heartbreaking and confusing time, what no one else ever understands is that you have to keep going for the children and there is no time to just stop, take it all in and then recover. It will happen though over time.

I agree with sparklinglime that the consistency for the children is important, but I just want to play devils advocate and wonder if you moved them to a non fee paying school, whether that would take a MASSIVE pressure off yourself and mean you have a little extra money for really good holidays, treats etc as there is always something that needs to be paid for especially as the children hit teenage years.

I was privately educated and wanted the same for my daughter, but finances didn't permit. I was really worried, but she is now in year 9 and doing fantastically well, she has a great set of friends and is really thriving..... of course it does depend on which local schools you have in your area, luckily ours is very very good.

It is always a really stressful time when the children go the absent parent for the first time, but one thing to try and remember is that you have no control over it, so you have to let it go.....there is no point worrying over something that you can't control (easy to say, I know). He is their father and over the years he may introduce them to many different women, all this will be a learning experience for them, YOU are the one consistent thing in their lives and although it isn't what you thought life would be like for them, it is. They will be ok, children are resilient, they need to see that you are OK with the arrangement and in control/strong, so if it is awful they can come home and tell you and not worry how it will affect you.

Of course, as usual, it will be you that bears the brunt of everything he does and says to them and you will have to carry that load alone, we are here for you, so keep strong and make sure when they go this weekend you do ONE thing that you couldn't do if the children were with you, please don't spend the whole time sitting at home worrying, spend time thinking about yourself and how you can move forward.

If you trust him to keep the children safe, they will be absolutely fine, maybe a little confused, so like I said, they need to see you strong.

Good Luck Francesca, will be thinking of you.

Posted on: January 9, 2009 - 10:23am
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

That first weekend when they're away is often the hardest! I started to take them to their dad's rather than him collect them, as I couldn't stand see them being 'taken away' from me! So I'd take them and he'd bring them home. As strange as it sounds, you actually do get used to the time they're not with you pretty quickly, even if you just sit and watch tele. It's surprising how tired you become without realising it.

Just to say I'm thinking of you too. It is a horrid time, and I know it is hard to see beyond the pain.

I call my ex The Git... and although it's not really her fault, I now call her The Gittess. Not in front of the children, of course :lol: but it does help giving them a title.

With regards to maintenance, I believe that your husband should be paying 20% of his income for the children. Those are CSA guidelines. However much he wants a fun life, he is still responsible. Maybe those rose tinted specs will fade and he will realise this.

It's quite clever how they get around it though. I've just written to CSA to cancel payments they collect as my ex tells them he works 12 hours, when he infact works 40 plus overtime. Seeing what he pays for the children infuriates me.

Posted on: January 9, 2009 - 11:05am
francesca

Hi Again,
This is a massive roller coster and it doesnt seem to be wanting to stop.
Do I have any rights? I dont feel like I do.
He is refusing to spend the next holiday with them (1/2 term February) and does not want to commit to Easter either!
We are both teachers so we have the same holiday as the kids. But I had the children since 14th November and he has seen them in a total of 2 1/2 days since them.
I'm tired and emotionally drain. I can't understand that a father wont want to be with their children and spend quality time with them, is really upsetting me. Is there anything that I can do?
Francesca

Posted on: January 16, 2009 - 2:50pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Hi

I'm very sorry, but as the parent with care there isn't anything you can do to make his have/see/spend time with the children. I went to a Solicitor as my ex was cancelling so many contact weekends. I wasn't able to do a thing about it.

However, if the parent with care stops the non-resident parent seeing the children, the non-resident parent can take the other parent to Court (sorry, trying to keep it genderless!)

Even with a Court Order in place though, the non-resident parent can't be made to see the child/ren.

I have been shocked about my ex's attitude with contact. I was married for 20 years and we started our family after 7 years of marriage. I don't really think you get over the shock when your husband becomes a stranger.

My ex would cancel all sorts of time that HE had requested (once, two minutes before the children were due at his - they'd walked there, I had to get them). Yet, when my daughter (when she was 12) said she didn't want to go due to issues, he sent all sorts of demanding texts saying she had no choice and she HAD to go (she was virtually at the point of a nervous breakdown with issues and with his insistance). There was never a Court order, so she didn't have to go...

I wouldn't even choose to have a friendship with my ex nowadays. He's such a different person to the one I met.

Sorry I can't give you any comfort here. I really hope you're doing ok.

Posted on: January 16, 2009 - 3:16pm
francesca

It's just exactly what I'm going through. We were together 13 years (8 married), we waited 8 years before we had the first one, he loved the children with all his heart, became a teacher so he could spend even more time with them...now he is a total stranger and I find it very hard to digest, I keep thinking he is going to change, he is going to realise what a fool he is been, how much he misses his kids and wife...But the reality seems so different, he has stopped contact even with his own inmediate family (dad, brother, stepmother), guilt? No. I think he cant be bothered with anyone (apart from his lover, obviously).
As you say, the law is so unfair. They dont think about the children in that sense, it really hits them emotionally, specially when they are young. There should be something to protect the childrens emotional stability.
I have been really thinking about how to get my live back together, how to show him that he is not going to get away with anything else, as I have been very helpful and amicable with him, but I only get treated like rubbish by him, its like I'm the one that has run away with another man!
So, I called a lawyer (I havent got one yet, because I'm worried about how much is going to cost me!), she said that I could apply for a "Mesher order" to keep the house for a while (my youngest is 3, my oldest is 6 in a three weeks). I asked her if I could move all the savings (they are in my name!!) to a childrens account so I can use them as a fund for paying their public school fees. She said that a judge would be happy with it, as they always take into account the children first, so there would be not much of a case for him if he wanted the money for his own benefit. That gave me a bit of confidence back. I spent hours last night looking at the best interest rates so I can open the accounts next week, before is to late, I will loose some interest as the kids accounts don't offer great rates when you exceed the £1200 allowance, but the kids education will be safe for a little while, or so I hope.
How sad, the person that for all those years was your best friend, your confident, your lover, your soul...has dissapeared and turn into your worst enemy.

Posted on: January 17, 2009 - 10:58pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

It is a tremendous shock.

I looked at emails between ex and one of his lady friend's, and she said that I would go crawling back to him in the end as I couldn't cope financially.

It will be 5 years in March since I left. Not missed him for a second...

I'm so glad you've been for legal advice and know that you can get this sorted for the children. I hope that he has enough sense to leave things with regards to the house. In my books he should transfer it into your name - but then I know that reality isn't always fair!

Do take care of you. Baby steps will get you there.

Best wishes

Posted on: January 18, 2009 - 12:16am
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi there Francesca

How did the weekend go for the children at their dads? How was it for you? I have just found this website that might be useful for you
http://www.itsnotyourfault.org/, it is written for the children, but I think you may find helpful for discussing the situation. There is a great page called 'How do you feel?', it has pictures of children looking sad, confused, guilty etc, you could ask your six yr old to point to which one he feels about your separation and then you can click on the face and it talks about how to deal with it.

I am glad to read that sparklinglime has shared experiences and although times are tough, she is living proof, that time will heal all.

Posted on: January 19, 2009 - 4:39pm