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A question of boundaries

Lin

What time to come in?.....at 13?.....at 14?......at 15?
What time to go to bed?
How much pocket money?
How much television?
How much time on the computer?
How old before you leave them on their own?

It is often in the teenage years that these basic day to day questions get trickier and trickier - both because teenagers are very good at constantly pushing boundaries and limits and because as parents we're not always sure what is right and fair. This is particularly true when we are parenting alone and there is no-one else to discuss these things with or back us up when conflict starts. (Admittedly that can also be the case where there are two parents ;)). It's good to be able to check out these things with other parents.

So, what do you think? Have you got it about right? Are you struggling with some of these questions.....or others? Are you tired of fighting with your teenager over coming in times, or bedtimes.......or anything else?

Posted on: December 4, 2008 - 12:01am
curlyburly

The main one for me and my son which we constantly debate is time on the computer and watching television. I really don't like the amount of time that he does spend on each of these and I'm constantly encouraging him to do other things. Up until about 3 months ago, (he's 15 now), I still seemed to have outright power to say, right that's enough now. But that has been gradually changing as he challenges and argues with me more and more and keeps saying, it's my life and I'm old enough now to sort it for my self. I really don't know about that and I have nothing or nobody else by which to guage that.........any thoughts anyone?

Posted on: December 10, 2008 - 11:10pm
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi curlyburly, sorry for the delay in getting in touch with you.

Teenagers seem to spend much more time in front of computer screens than even a generation ago, whether it be at home in their bedroom or round at their friends houses, it seems to be the most time consuming activity that they have.

Its hard as our little ones grow and don't listen and obey on command, it is a transition for both of you. It is really important to keep communication open, these days you may find that just listening is better than trying to get your point across!

If he is neglecting chores then it is important that these get done and that you are happy with his contribution to the house, is that a problem? Or do you just feel that he is melting away into cyberland?

When I was a teenager my parents often complained that they didn't know where I was, so there is always a bright side!! He is keeping out of trouble!

There are ways that you could work a schedule together, if you would be interested we could discuss that? Does anyone else have the same issues with their children/teenagers?

Posted on: December 16, 2008 - 1:15pm
petrie

Hi louise and sparklinglime, thanks for your reply being re: abusive child. alone means that i don't always have ideas on how to cope next, it would be great to have a healthy relationship with a partner or even a choice of friends to ask. I'v been on the Freedom programme which outlines that a lot of the anger you state that is around by daughter is coming out onto me in the form of possesiveness and 100's of forms of isolation. At this moment i would say yes to any demands she'd make in order to be in her life so we could eventually find that good space for us.

I don't know what to do, countless talks on how she would like things - no reply, talks on more working together brings more arguments. At present its seems I'm completely cut out of her life, we're very similar and i'm told that this is common between parents and their children with similar behaviours. She's getting married next week and i am not invited.

Any ideas would be gratefully received.

Petrie

Posted on: May 30, 2009 - 6:02pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Gosh! I'm stunned she's not invited you to the wedding. You must be totally floored by that.

I don't know what to suggest.

My tale... I wasn't particularly close to my mum as she started to work full time the day I started school. We got ok, just our paths didn't cross. When I got married the photographer told me and mum to hold hands. In the end he had to sort us out! We had no idea how to hold hands.

My dad died when I was 29, two weeks before my first child was born. I was lucky as mum and I actually got on ok, and we had five brilliant years until she died.

Until that point we had little to do with each other, but then neither did we argue - I just ignored what she used to say.

Whether, as you daughter gets older, in time she realises how she's behaving, I don't know. As I was saying with my foster sister, her behaviour hasn't improved. Her son's behaviour is terrible too - very violent.

It's easy for me to suggest that you let her lead her own life. I'm not sure how I would be able to deal with that.

I think I would send a lovely wedding card and say how much she is loved and how sorry you are to be missing out on her special day. And somehow try to have a quiet but special day somewhere - as I'm sure it will very much on your mind.

What does your other child have to say? (sorry, I don't know if this is a daughter or son)

Sending loads of hugs your way.

Posted on: May 30, 2009 - 6:41pm
petrie

Hi sparklinglime, thanks for the reply, i think sending the card and the quite day somewhere is a good idea. Not getting on till we get on will will hurt, I'm already losing confidence in myself because of it and its flooding everywhere, i spend so much time trying to sort it out that my other daughter gets forgotten. My younger daughter is fed up with the angst.

I'm glad that you and your mum finally formed a bridge, it gives me hope.

Thank you.
petrie

Posted on: May 30, 2009 - 9:32pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Sometimes stepping back is the way to move forward. It might help with your confidence moving away from the upset.

It must be hard on your younger daughter too, maybe a bit of focus there for a while.

Keeping boundaries in place too so your older daughter realises she has made choices.

I honestly don't know how I would cope.

This bit has nothing to do with children, but my divorce. I found that accepting my ex's behaviour instead of being stressed or angry over it as made things a lot easier. He has "won" as he has kept control over life. But I'm calmer now. Maybe trying to accept how she is behaving at the moment, and realising this is her choice to be this way might help a little.

I hope the sun is shining where you are, and maybe a picnic with your youngest daughter would be a bit of 'time out'. I think they like picnic's at any age!

My very best wishes.

Posted on: May 30, 2009 - 10:13pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi Petrie

Thanks for sharing. I think Sparkling Lime has given you some fab suggestions. Our children have no idea how much they can hurt us.....I have a friend who has 4 kids and one of his sons was quite distant with him after his marriage breakdown. Once this lad became a dad , he suddenly wanted to be close to his dad, almost as if knowing how it felt to be a parent, he finally knew how his dad felt about him. All you can do is stay loving, make sure she knows you are there for her and basically let her make her own life. It's agony though :cry: but at least you will be there if she needs you

Take care

Louise :)

Posted on: May 31, 2009 - 11:58am
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi petrie

You say that you have done the Freedom Programme, I hope that this gave you the insight that none of this is your fault. Your daughter is deliberately trying to hurt you and you may never know the reasons why.

As with any violent relationship, I would say as sparkling has said, you need to let her get on with her life and most importantly look after you. I can understand that you want to be part of her life and help her get through these difficult times, but you are the important one here, your daughter has grown up. You need to protect yourself with that bullet proof vest and know that you ARE OK.

Take time out for yourself, treat yourself, do things that you enjoy and have not done in the past.

When my folks divorced I was in my 20's, I had been a complete nightmare throughout my teens and into my 20's. I had a new baby and needed my mum, but she decided that she would go off travelling to get over the breakdown of her relationship. I thought this was so selfish of her, I needed her and she wasn't there being a proper mum. As it turned out when she came back, she was a different woman, she was much more confident and actually said 'NO' to me more than ever before. (When I needed her most) I felt completely let down by her for a long time.

But now I respect her more than ever, no she doesn't babysit when I need her to, nor does she give me money when I can't pay the bills, she doesn't even help with the washing up when she has been over for a meal. But she looks out for herself, number one, and I have learnt from her, I have taken a leaf out of her book, which ultimately means that my daughter can't twist me around her little finger as much as she used to and god help any man that expects me to be a pushover!

As women we have been expected to be the carer of our family's emotional wellbeing, which is all well and good, but until our family respect us, we will have no control.

Sorry a bit of a long story there, I hope you get what I am trying to say, basically look after you first, selfish as it may seem. ;)

Posted on: June 1, 2009 - 2:11pm
petrie

Hi anna, sparklinglime and louise.
I do feel much calmer now and the freedom programme is absolutely great. It has made me calmer and i have started to put my life together. I use to get so upset i started to stutter in stress and thought i was going to pass out in the Next Link office. I said no to some of her requests that she could do for herself, that i could see would give her a rewards, build her resources after the hard work was over and she would see how mothering is for me and other mothers, she did not take up the challenges & i jus got on with my life. She now seems very quite. I feel calmer now, and her intimidations from herself and her friends have rolled off me like on a ducks back. i decided that i will be the best that i can be in all things despite her insolating actions. She has seen changes in me since i've joined this site and she was hopping mad. Me and my youngest went on a sort of a picnic, and it has brought us closer together.

I may be kicked out of my older daughters life and will get on with mine, ur suggestion that i stay loving for if and wen she needs me is just the news i need. Leaving the door open with a respect policy, is how things are now.
Its seems to be a fine line of give give give to tank up someone and standing back to let them discover their own two feet.
Thank you for yoyr care and sense. Petrie :D :ugeek: :roll: :P

Posted on: June 8, 2009 - 12:10am
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi petrie

I love reading posts like yours, I am not saying that a magic wand has been waved and all is wonderful, but it really sounds as if you have regained the control over your life and thats fantastic news :D

I love what you say - I will be the best I can be in all things, you sound really determined to start enjoying and making the most of the rest of your life, which in turn will have a ripple effect on your son and no doubt your daughter too :)

Hooray for you!

Posted on: June 8, 2009 - 10:30am
petrie

Hi everyone. i would like to air this thought i had. Ive joined the freedom program and have been doing a lot of work on myself from this.
1 - ive realised that my boundaries are poor which have left me vunerable and my children feeling not safe cos mummy didnt have the ans to sort it.

2 - i realised i didnt have ans or gumption and so i would encourage the children to see lots of friends so they could learn things that i couldnt instill.

3 - i realise i didnt have the gumption cos im still trying to extricate myself from parents not fighting for me to just going out there and letting life trow everything at me so i get to self gumtion and build boundaries, my usual tactic is hide/dive into whatever doesnt talkback eg inanimate stuff -no to or throw there then or go out with someone who is domineering so then im helpless.

my daughter who i see has abusing is the type of person if your quiet she wont let u get away with it, she,s brought everthing up to challenge my fears, i would see that normally as mindless hostilty but its occured to me that she wants me to be my own person and is controlling my life and environment to achieve what she needs as a child.

I saw a post about a child who wets on their mothers bed, 1 she's bound to see it, 2 if your a child its the best place in the world to fall into sleep. a reply post to this said the child is in distress. well my daughter does this - im not sure if its linked to her forthcoming marriage tho. i definately dont own myself .

Posted on: August 26, 2009 - 12:06pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hello petrie

I am glad you are finding the Freedom programme so helpful, it will help with the boundray setting and give you more strength but please do not blame yourself for things that have happened in your family. Good for you, that you are tackling these difficult things! :D

I am not sure if I am understanding you rightly, and please forgive me if I am not....but are you saying that your teenage daughter urinates on your bed? is this deliberate do you think, or in her sleep?

Posted on: August 27, 2009 - 4:24pm
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi petrie, nice to see you again!

Great news to hear that you are doing the Freedom Programme, I think it is fab and great place for soul searching and a much better understanding of all that you have been through. It is great that you are challenging yourself.

What session are you on? Have you seen that we have a Freedom Programme online group, in the Relationships and You topic? It is a place to chat with women all over the country who are participating in the programme.

Look forward to hearing more!

Posted on: September 2, 2009 - 2:00pm
petrie

hi Louise, no the urinating is deliberate usually during a pregnancy.

Posted on: September 7, 2009 - 7:51pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

petrie, that must be so difficult to deal with.

Posted on: September 7, 2009 - 9:23pm
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi petrie

I have been looking around the internet and came across this: http://www.babycentre.co.uk/pregnancy/antenatalhealth/physicalhealth/frequenturination/

It could be that your daughter has Urinary Tract Infection, see the above link for further information.

Here is another useful website that can help with teenage bedwetting: http://www.eric.org.uk/Teens/tabid/57/Default.aspx

I hope you find these useful. :)

When you say it is deliberate. Do you feel she is doing it to get attention from you? Or does she tend to take off the sheets and get them in the washing machine?

Posted on: September 8, 2009 - 11:50am
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

If she doesn't strip the bed, I hope you don't mind if I suggest that she does do this and take the bedding to the washing machine.

My son tends to empty all the towels out the airing cupboard to put on the wet stuff too, so I can almost hear the washing machine sigh.

In the end I bought a waterproof mattress for my son. He did have a waterproof cover, but he was pulling that off. Best £100 I've spent!

I can only imagine how difficult this is for you.

Posted on: September 8, 2009 - 12:57pm