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Paying for school trips

harissa

We can never afford to pay for school trips so, as a result, my son has never been on any.

He starts his next school in September and is looking forward to the 1 day outside-activity trip which serves as the team-building thing for each class. It is only £20 but I know that I will be stretched as he will need new shoes and clothes by then. The form says payment is "voluntary" but when I phoned up to check the details, I was told that if we can't pay he can't go. So what is the point of calling it "voluntary" then??

Am sick of having to constantly scrabble for pennies :o(

Posted on: June 30, 2009 - 4:43pm
Bubblegum
DoppleMe

Read through this thread, I just found it through googling 'paying for school trips' it may be of help to you : )

Posted on: June 30, 2009 - 9:43pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Trips are always a struggle. I was a governor and brought it up in meetings, yet the school never made provision for harship (I was expecting favourtism, as I was governor when married).

Originally, the PTA of the school was set up to help those less well off to pay for trips, music lessons etc - but as far as I can see (was Secretary with that for yonks) it was never used for that purpose.

I would write to the school and to the chair of governors and see what the school's view point is.

My third child went to a camp with the school and it was £80. I paid over a period of time for that.

There really is no accommodating those who struggle.

Posted on: June 30, 2009 - 10:54pm
harissa

Thanks very much for that link. It is reassuring to know that others have asked the same question.

The funny thing is that most people, including politicians, believe that the voluntary payment statement is an acknowledgement that the school accepts that certain families are unable to pay and does not discriminate. In practice it seems, it is merely so the school can tick the anti-poverty box without actually acting on that promise. Meaningless words to put it one way! Lies, to put it another!

Posted on: July 1, 2009 - 9:54am
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

I think it is a disgrace that children of less well-off families should be missing out on school activities because of this. :x I would be writing to the the local Education Authority, harissa.

I know the primary school my boys went to would always provide some free places on day trips and some heavily subsidised ones that were residential. I only had to use it once, and when I was working again I was able to pay, which was fine. Also I was lucky in that my children have two sets of grandparents who would help out with things like that during my bad times, whilst most people are not so lucky! Once they got to secondary school, it was a different story, with typical trips being a £2k week in Japan ( :? )...it is not even a posh school, just a normal comprehensive.

What planet do these people live on? :evil:

Posted on: July 1, 2009 - 10:28am
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi harissa, great to see you back again!

I wondered if you could try:
http://www.turn2us.org.uk you might need to phone them for direct information, also I thought you could contact http://www.ace-ed.org.uk as they might know somewhere you can get support with this issue.

Let us know if either of these are of any help. :)

Posted on: July 6, 2009 - 3:32pm
harissa

I've been off the forum for a while as my family have been hit by a whole barrage of problems which I've been dealing with bit by bit. Chasing up the school trips issue got knocked right back down the list, and will now have to wait until my son starts at his new school in September,

The Daily Mail (judgemental heap of spite that it is) has just printed this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1203981/Head-teacher-state-primary-threatens-bailiffs-parents-owe-cash-meals-trips.html

The readership is of the opinion if parents can't afford to pay for school trips then their kids should be denied the opportunity. It has made me feel very sad as I know my son has definitely missed out. He has not been on a single school trip and is now 11. Note, by school trips I mean simple things like museum trips which support the curriculum, rather than the "luxury" trips eg- the French trip or the canalboat trip. Ironically the kids who went on those latter trips are the kids whose parents are able to afford to take them abroad on holiday.

Posted on: August 3, 2009 - 5:06pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Hi Harrissa
I'll read that later... Thank you for the link.

In Scouts last week, I've realised that the children on the "other" side of town, of parents on IS have had a low of free summer activities, including a week in an outdoor centre, and they've been able to get certificates with canoeing, sailing and climbing. All picked up, all fed and watered and all paid for.

My children, basically, live in poverty, yet nothing available for them - and to be fair, I was expecting it to be either - I just don't see why one area of a town should, while another shouldn't. They do live in a Communities First area, and mine don't...

Not particularly happy. I'll be paying £25 each for my children to do a similar course come September, through the Scouts...

Posted on: August 3, 2009 - 6:05pm
harissa

That course sounds like the one day activity my son's school is offering. It is supposed to get all the new kids familiar with each other. Actually, I wouldn't choke so much on £25 for a week but for a day it is too much of a financial burden.

Posted on: August 3, 2009 - 6:35pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

my argument is that all children of parents on income support should be given that opportunity. My children are no less worthy of a good time, just because the housing estate we live on isn't in a specified area. It is still in the same locality.

Sadly, there was a very heated argument in a Scouts meeting where one of the assistant leaders would not here of discounts for those who live in the communities first area, as she feels all those on benefits get everything.

If she knows of these projects, I don't blame her for feeling that way. My children have no exciting trips planned - as in no days out that will cost us money. I can't afford it. Then for them to hear about all these activities these children have been on - how am I meant to explain that? They're even having a day out in an adventure park! It would cost me £40+ to go with my children, never mind the picnic.

I'll get off my soap box now.

Sad when you can't get equality even within the benefits system.

Posted on: August 3, 2009 - 7:37pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Sadly this is down to funding constraints ie they collect data from certain areas and the funding stream is only available for areas where a certain percentage of children live in poverty....which brings me on to one of MY soap-box subjects: People who live in a generally rich area who are on limited incomes get far less help than those who live in an area with lots of people in poverty. Services are targeted at the concentrated areas of need and if an area has a mean income which is pretty comfortable then those at the bottom of the money-ladder can become invisible.

On a practical basis, sparkling, it is sad that the Scout leader has such a view of people on benefits. Are there any cheaper school activities organised for everyone? My area produces a "summer booklet" with things going on at museums and very cheap sports things. If not, how about making it a campaign for next summer? Could you get a petition up? Would some of the Scout people help? Could you approach the Council with suggestions and costings?

Harissa I have found that the door is less open for subsidy once the kids hit secondary school. Worth emailing them to find out if there are any bursaries/funding available before your boy gets there. Some of them might be linked to academic things rather than income. My son (with learning difficulties) was given an award in Year 7 as the child who had shown greatest improvement and effort. He got £50 of book tokens. It was a fund endowed by parents whose Year 7 daughter had sadly died from a brain tumour some years ago. It helped us a lot!

Also for anyone thinking about holidays etc, there is an organsation called The Family Holiday Association You can't apply directly but each November a welfare agent such as a CAB worker can download an application and help you submit it for a holiday for the following summer. The usual break is a week at a Haven or Butlins site and some money towards spending. So anyone who in interested in this type of break needs to think about which local Welfare Agent they could ask to apply with them

Posted on: August 4, 2009 - 10:18am