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Just how do I handle a new relationship and my son??

pinkgrapefruit

Hi guys,

Ok so I've been really busy moving but I've also just kind of started seeing this guy (why does everything always happen at once...?!). He has been a distant friend for a while but we've now been out on a couple of dates and he came round last night to help me sort out my computer altho really we just chatted until he left at 1.30 am. Things were getting pretty heated last night (in a good way ;)) but he knew I wouldn't want him to stay cos my son has never met him and would be bursting into my room at 6am and that would be quite some shock, so he went home which is great. Anyway now I'm just wondering how I clear the way forward, this guy, lets call him gorgeous bloke (GB) has never been married and has no kids. My son is 4 and a half, his Dad left 2 years ago and altho I've been on dates since (and very occasionally thrown men out at 3am) as far as my son is concerned he is used to me being on my own with him. I don't want GB to feel pressured into the daddy stuff and days out but how can I let him stay over if my son has never met him?? Its a minefield, its worse than being 16 and taking a new boyfriend home to meet the parents! Have any of you actually managed to see what works best in this situation? My ex only sees my son for a few hours, very very rarely overnight so thats not really a solution. I could ask my parents to look after him but they live a couple of hours away and its not a practical solution long term... Don't want to witter on about it too much to GB as that could scare him right off and he might vow never to date a single mum again, and he's the loveliest bloke ever..

What do you think??

Bec xx

Posted on: July 25, 2009 - 1:44pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi Bec

Life has been very hectic for you with a house move as well! Glad you have met someone nice :) I agree that your son's first sight of GB should not be on the landing, wrapped in a towel. So you are left with 3am chuck-outs in the short term and some planned weekends for your boy with your parents so you can have some private time with GB for a while. As a parent, you may feel that you don't really want GB in your son's life until you feel that GB is a long term prospect? You can explain to GB that he needs to get to know your son before stopovers BUT there is no need for him to do the Daddy thing, all you really need is for your son and GB to be friends. In the meantime, it is worth palling up with the mother of one of your son's friends and encouraging them to have him to stay overnight occasionally, in return for which you can have their child to stay. They don't have to be a single parent; they might relish a child-free night for themselves as a couple.

Good luck!

Posted on: July 25, 2009 - 5:29pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

How exciting!!

:)

Posted on: July 25, 2009 - 5:45pm
vickstick34

Hi Bec

congrats on finding GB :)

I would suggest a few trips out with your son and GB first and foremost. Go to the park for a couple of hours at a time together, if GB is up for that. Its better to have them meet each other on neutral territory rather than in ur home. If all goes well u can plan some longer days out. Then u can gauge how they will get on. Being out and about also means that ur son and GB can find mutual interests, like playing football at the park. Ur new guy will never replace ur sons dad but he can still be a positive male role model.

I hope this helps and GL for the future :)

Posted on: July 26, 2009 - 9:45am
sadsy

Hello Bec,
so excited for you! :D

huug

sy

Posted on: July 26, 2009 - 11:03am
pinkgrapefruit

Thanks for the comments guys, I know it seems a pretty trivial issue to most of the stuff you are facing at the moment. Its just that I have not had to properly address this hurdle since I've been on my own and whilst I would love to be with someone I don't want my son's security to be affected at all and the difficult logistics of it all hadn't really dawned on me before. Hmmmm. It really is just easier on your own sometimes! I'll see what develops tho

Bec x

Posted on: July 26, 2009 - 7:23pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

I don't think its trivial (I know I'm lucky...)

I think its brilliant! :)

Posted on: July 26, 2009 - 7:34pm
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi Bec

This is SO not trivial, it could be a massive shift in your life, so please do not think that this is not worth discussing with us.

The ideas put forward are great, there are so many questions tho, how much do you want him in your sons life? How much does he want to be in your sons life? etc etc. But at the moment it is early days, so I reckon you should spend more evenings together and he goes home, I know all about animal instinct and human needs etc, but once you have a new partner involved in your family situation, it can get sticky, you might find it harder to leave him, as your son may adore him, or you could end up staying in when he goes out. Oh there is so much to talk about!

At this moment tho, go out and about, introduce him to your son, invite him for supper and a film. But first and foremost your boy comes first and GB needs to know and accept that and not try to crash the party.

I think once they have met, you can gauge how much your son is interested (or threatened), the same goes for GB and maybe after a few trips and your son has seen GB makes you happy, he could stay overnight. Only you know that answers, but I could talk about this all day!!

Just take it all one day at a time, you know who comes first and who always will, so I am sure you will be guided by your best judgement. Best of luck!!

Posted on: August 5, 2009 - 3:03pm
pinkgrapefruit

Hi Anna,

Thanks for the message, perfect timing cos I'm in turmoil today.

I'd been just seeing GB in the evenings when I could, sometimes going out on proper dates when I had a babysitter, otherwise sometimes him coming over here after son gone to bed and staying til midnightish but always leaving - and both of us managing to just about behave :)

Well last night my son was at my parents and we'd arranged to go out for something to eat. We were having a lovely time and he'd made loads of hints so eventually I plucked up the courage to ask him to stay. And I wish I hadn't!!! Basically this prompted him to get really serious and have a bit of a 'state of the relationship' discussion. To summarise, he says he really likes me BUT he never wanted any of his own kids and has never dated anyone with kids before, furthermore he is in a circle of friends where no one really has kids (even tho he is 38!). He doesn't know how he feels about me having a son, he says he is daunted by it and can't imagine fitting in but nevertheless he likes me enough to find out more. He feels I have kept him apart from my domestic life and therefore he 'doesn't even see half of the real me'. I explained I had done this with the best of intentions, I want us to see if we get on before I start bringing son into the equation. He says he can't live in that compartment of my life and before it goes any further needs to know how he feels about me being a mother. I suggested that he pop over soon for a cup of tea and a trip to the park, people are always dropping in so son won't be too bothered about that. I'm just really upset be the situation. I know he doesn't like kids and I kind of know that its inevitable that at some point down the line he's going to say its too much for him (even tho I have stressed I'm not looking for a new Daddy for son). I'm scared that I'm going to be watched very closely on this trip to the park, its almost a test that I'm going to pass or fail. Altho he says its not about how I behave or what my son is like, more about how he actually feels when he sees me in another role. So after my offer for him to stay, he declined and said that he would feel bad if he did and ultimately walked away from the situation. I guess I have to admire his complete honesty but I'm gutted!

I've had a text from him today saying sorry he didn't stay and he'll call me tonight to arrange the park visit. I almost feel like telling him I don't want to see him anymore tho cos then I'd be in control rather than in his hands just waiting for him to walk away - cos lets face it I was there for too long in that situaiton with my ex.

I've arranged for a friend to come over tonight so I can have a good old moan but I'm so upset, I just think dating as a single parent is impossible! I've been trying to avoid the fact that I'm a handful for someone to get involved in but this seems to have illustrated the fact all too clearly :(

Bec xx

Posted on: August 6, 2009 - 7:30pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hello Bec

You're not a "handful", you are a mum with a little boy! Plenty of single parents date and even settle down with a new partner.

It is very unusual that he is 38 and has no friends who are parents. I actually think he was quite honourable to walk away last night though. I agree, it will feel really strange having him "watch" you be a mother. And ultimately he might not be able to deal with this. To be honest, it does show he is not a parent by the very fact that he was surprised you had kept this part of your life separate. That doesn't mean it can't work, but do just go carefully and look after your heart. I do understand that you feel like breaking it off but do just try and enjoy the enjoyable bits and see what happens?

Posted on: August 6, 2009 - 7:38pm
sadsy

Hello Bec,
he might be terrified about being judged on his abilities with children. Or feeling vulnerable that you will be really disappointed in him.

Hope the park thing works out. Perhaps encourage GB to do easy stuff like pushing swings. He can build these skills with children with help from you? It can be fun? Ask him what GB liked to do at comparable age, so he gets bit more involved. It may be just relationship hiccup.

He seems quite open and honest, and good communicator, these are really good qualities.

Steady bec. You have loads of parenting skills, he has none, it may be really daunting for him. Takes time.

Love

sy

Posted on: August 6, 2009 - 8:30pm
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Oh my bec!

Well I feel differently to the other two posts, I actually gasped out loud!

I think he sending you mixed messages, you say that he was hinting about staying, but then turned you down?? Odd behaviour? Then he says he doesn't know how he feels about you having a son....well its not something you have just told him.

I'd be wary too. I guess there are 2 sides to it though I am going to try to be diplomatic....

He may be a genuine, considerate, thoughtful chap who is thinking about the future for himself, you and your son etc., but if I remember rightly early on he wanted you to contact him, then he told you he had to check his diary??! :o (Oops sorry, that is not diplomatic!)

But he could also be playing some kind of game, pushing and pulling you this way and that. If none of his friends have kids then maybe they are boys about town or maybe they just haven't met the right person yet :?

Don't run after him, you have everything going for you, you are independent, about to start training and young enough to be smart and gorgeous! You know what is right, as Louise said, in your heart. You don't need to be chasing him, let him make some of the moves now, the ball is in his court. You are interested but you do have better things to be getting on with than wondering what he wants from his life.

How are you this morning?

Posted on: August 7, 2009 - 10:43am
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

I hope its ok if I add to any confusion here :D Sorry - it's a skill I have!

The chap who is now a friend. We did go out for a while, quite seriously.

He had no children - I have four. He met them when my youngest was five and a half, eldest was twelve and a half.

He would never make any decisions with anything that involved them and would always come and tell me if they were being 'naughty' (and as he's a friend, he still does!), as he won't discipline them.

I told him he would grow to love the children - as to be fair, its the personality that they get to know. He does love them, and would do anything for my lot (except discipline them :roll: ). When my youngest broke his leg, he was here like a shot to help - it took The Git to even respond to text messages.

However. I drove me nuts that he wouldn't get involved with the children.

The stress with The Git involved made the situation too difficult for me to cope with. And if I'm honest, it was the right decision to not maintain a serious relationship.

The way I see it is enjoy today. A park is a good place to start (we went to a National Trust place with nice gardens and play area - not in the house!). I just feel that if you like him, then allow the chance for him and your son to get to know eachother. If they get on, then see how things go. However, if he doesn't get on with your son, I feel it will bring so much stress into a relationship.

Good luck with it all. Hopefully you'll have some lovely weather and the chance to all meet up with lots to do.

Posted on: August 7, 2009 - 4:08pm
pinkgrapefruit

Thanks for the wise words as ever everyone. I have to say to Anna tho - its a different guy! Not the diary checking one! OMG how bad does that make me sound!!?? I never heard a thing from the diary checker and started moaning to this guy who I already knew about how rubbish men were blah de blah etc, he said 'not all men are rubbish' and thats how this started! lol

He has been ringing me just the same as before but I'm very wary now, I'm so scared of being hurt again. I spent most of yesterday in tears, not because he had been nasty but I was reading all sorts of things into it. Since my divorce I have become really independent (aren't we all now?) and tried to increase my self esteem, I thought my confidence had improved but now I seem to have gone back hundreds of steps, desperate to hear from him, rushing to the phone, being distracted all the time about whether he likes me etc. And absolutely terrified of rejection again. I have so many things I should be doing with my new house but I can't concentrate and I've been moping round like a teenager! Does this mean that I'm just not ready for anyone do you think??

Sparklinglime - it seems like quite a similar situation, thanks for sharing your experience, whilst in theory it sounds so nice to meet someone in practice these days I can understand why so many single parents choose not to. I just get so lonely tho!

Bec x

Posted on: August 7, 2009 - 7:06pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi again Bec

Don't worry, the bursting into tears isn't really a hundred steps back, it's trepidation as you cope with your first real "go" at a relationship since your split. It doesn't mean you are weak, just that you are learning fast :) Anna is right that you are fab and strong and a real "catch" so don't sell yourself short. I think it is a good idea, as sparkling said, to take the pressure off and enjoy today. I remember always "searching" for that new partner and in retrospect I tried too hard and didn't value myself enough.

Take it steady ;)

Posted on: August 7, 2009 - 7:23pm
sadsy

Hello bec,
I've not dated, so I'm not sure what the etiquette is.

If you are wondering what he is feeling, how about call him and ask him?

If you are wondering what he would like to do in the near future, ask him?

Usually my brain is in a spin when I don't have enough information.
Get a bit more information then?

Sorry, I'm a bloke and subtleties of dating are bit of a mystery to me.

Sorry you been upset. It's hard to be so vulnerable to someone you might not know so well.
Don't all relationships start that way? Giving in the hope they can be trusted and will give in return?

Big huug for you becs.

I haven't done my DIY either.
My romantic interest is the new weathergirl on BBC1 and hugging my pillow at night.
None seem to fancy me. I thinks it's going to be a long-term thing. Nobody ever fancied me.
Except Debra at school with the hairy legs. I loved her, but she went out with bad boys.

aaah well. And kids weren't fussed about speaking with me either tonight. They watching sky on LCD TV at lover Paul's place.
My anteater impersonation on phone could not compete.

night night

Posted on: August 8, 2009 - 9:22pm
pinkgrapefruit

Hi Sy,
I just sent a message on the hello thread so I'll try not to repeat myself too much!

I would imagine the attraction of the new TV will soon fade, it won't replace their Daddy long term. My son sometimes says he doesn't want to go to his Dads cos all he can do there is watch TV, so thats stopped me worrying about having a really old TV.

When ex left I never imagined I would want to date again but its amazing how my feelings have changed over time. I'm sure you'll meet the right person in time, who knows, maybe you will be on one of your bicycle trips and someone will cross the road in front of you, your eyes will meet and that will be the start of it...;)

Not sure whether GB is the one but I want to give it a try. I think he does too. He seemed happier having met son. Son showed off a bit towards the end (a sign that he felt comfortable) and I was a bit worried that GB would make a hasty departure in horror but he didn't seem too alarmed so I am taking everyone's advice and just taking it one day at a time. Also I heard that saying today ' dance like no ones watching, and love like you've never been hurt' - it seemed really relevant today somehow.

Hope your badminton ache has stopped!

Bec

Posted on: August 8, 2009 - 9:34pm
sadsy

Bec,

Quote:
' dance like no ones watching, and love like you've never been hurt'

that is lovely.

sy

Posted on: August 8, 2009 - 9:53pm
Bubblegum
DoppleMe

Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain)

Dance like no one is watching.
Sing like no one is listening.
Love like you've never been hurt and live like it's heaven on Earth.

More here.

Google is your friend. : )

Posted on: August 8, 2009 - 10:27pm
pinkgrapefruit

Thanks Bubblegum, only knew that snippet, blimey there is some good stuff in there tho

Posted on: August 9, 2009 - 7:02pm
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi bec, it is great to read that the 'meeting' went well. It doesn't sound bad at all that this is a different guy, in fact it is all the better if you think about it!

From my own experience of relationships since having my daughter, all I can say is don't get in too deep too soon, we have the whole of our lives to be with that person and if we are not in too deep, then it is easier to get out! This may be cynical, but relationships are about friendship first and that is the most important part.

Something I mentioned in another post recently is about thinking of a relationship, not as one entity, but as three. There is you and your life and your interests, him and his life and his interests and then you as a couple. I think this is a great way of viewing a relationship, because if we think of two becoming one, or soul mates etc, it completely negates us as an individual and now we have children, this is really important that we keep a hold on what we believe to be important and not get too wrapped up in the romantic ideal of 'lurve'! :shock:

Posted on: August 10, 2009 - 2:05pm
pinkgrapefruit

aaaarrrghhh well i think I can declare this thread well and truly closed! NOt sure if I should be posting on here or on Sy's Rant board! After GB spent the afternoon with us on Saturday he said he'd enjoyed it far more than he had anticipated etc so I was thinking thats a baby step forward, just see what happens. Anyway he's been over tonight and initially we were having a nice relaxing evening then he got talking.... essentially what he has said is that whilst he did enjoy Saturday and he is happy to do that (ie spend time with my son) occasionally he knows that he has no interest on ever doing that on a daily basis - talk about thinking ahead!! So he says he is in a dilemma, carry on with things as they are now but knowing no matter how long it goes on it would never develop into us living together at any point in the future. He wanted to know how I felt. I ummmed and ahhhhed and tried to clarify what he was saying. But basically I either just live with the current arrangement ad infinitum or stop it now. When I suggested we just see what happens he wasn't too keen, says he doesn't want me thinking he'll ever change my mind. So he has left and I'm supposed to be thinking!! But in reality I made my mind up as soon as he started discussing all this tonight - I'm never going to see him again and blimey that makes me feel sooooo good! I'm not looking for a relationship to get overly serious from the beginning but equally I need to be with someone with whom there is a mutual feeling that things could become more permanent one day if things went well. Also I need to be with someone who, whilst not loving my son like I do, does like him and enjoy spending time with us both. I've been snapping at son a bit recently , partly due to the rainy Summer holidays we are all suffering but also because I've been trying to make things work with GB, my son doesn't deserve that, he deserves unconditional love and patience from his Mum who adores him and knows he is the most gorgeous boy on this planet. His Dad left me because he didn't want to be part of a family, the last thing I need is another partner who feels exactly the same way! I'm sure I'll be sad tomorrow but as for tonight I feel relieved, now its just me, my son, my rickety house that needs loads of attention to get it cosy, and my uni work that I love but have been neglecting so I could find some time for dating!

Next time I even consider dating again please someone remind me of the joys of being single...

Bec xx

Posted on: August 12, 2009 - 12:22am
sadsy

Oh Bec,
your poor heart! I guess this is the kindest most honourable way. With honesty in his approach to the future. And a quick decision. I think he's being a bit shortsighted myself.

Please doooo date more, when you are ready. You need love and caring too.

peck on the cheek

sy

Posted on: August 12, 2009 - 9:35am
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hello Bec

What a shock for you! I bet it threw you totally off balance for a while. On the positive side at least you know where he stands with regard to your son and if you had carried on for a long time then your son could well have become attached to him, so a split would have been hurtful for him too :(

I did have a very simialr experience to this some years ago and I kept thinking it would work but in the end we split and I felt like a total rat because one of my boys said "Is is because we are naughty boys that he doesn't want to live with us?" and I couldn't bear that. :x

So I think you have done the right thing, well done for being so level-headed. it doesn't mean you have to stay single, however....I think he is a bit unusual not to realise that a lone parent comes "as a package" with their child(ren).

Hope you're Ok today, you know we are here if you want some support, take care.

Posted on: August 12, 2009 - 9:47am
pinkgrapefruit

Thanks, feel like my confidence has been bashed yet again. I know he was only being honest but he has always known about my son so why even start something in the first place if he is so anti-children?? Everything just seems so hard on my own sometimes, for me its actually getting harder again these days than it has been for the last year or so... is that normal, its nearly 2 years since split with ex, but it feels like yesterday still and every bad relationship experience I have just takes me back to how I felt then.. bit full of self pity today.. why me? etc

Posted on: August 12, 2009 - 9:54am
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

It sounds as if it was that he "knew" about your son but having mixed so long in a childless circle, he really had little idea of what that might actually involve. Don't let it bash your confidence, Bec, it is HIS problem, not yours.....and remember what happened with your son's dad won't happen with everyone you meet. I guess you could say you have learned something really valuable here: that in the end, anyone you get involved with will need to be able to make a good relationship with your son :)

Posted on: August 12, 2009 - 10:12am
sadsy

Also Bec,
remember you're really lovely.

You might find next GB has children of his own, you could start a tribe!
Don't give up.

Peck on the cheek.

sy

Posted on: August 12, 2009 - 10:21am
pinkgrapefruit

I'd love nothing more than to start a tribe Sy but I just seem to attract the anti-family type - its certainly not intentional, maybe I just mix in the wrong circles. Just seems like so long ago that someone actually loved me and did the little stuff with me, you know, the little trips out, squeezing my hand and telling me I'm lovely! Actually it must be a long time ago, son's dad certainly never did that! Just wish I could stop snapping at my son, who is not to blame for my loneliness! Miss someone to snuggle up to whilst I fall asleep watching a film and eat maltesers.

Posted on: August 12, 2009 - 10:31am
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi Bec, aaarrghhh, I feel for you. It was great to read that you were feeling relieved last night and that you recognise that you were behaving differently towards your son, because of outside influences muddling your brain. :?

The reason you are feeling low today and thinking about your ex, is because you are feeling a loss, not necessarily the GB's fantastic personality :shock: , but what could have been and a reminder of when you felt like this before. I imagine last night was pretty stressful and everything looks bleak all over again. This is normal.

For me, when I split with a boyfriend, I always used to think about my daughters father and the pain and difficulties I went through, probably because that was the hardest split. In a way though I think that can't be bad, because I never want to be with him again and it is better to cry over him and our lost family rather than some of the losers I have met since!!

Have a read of 'The best thing about being a single parent' in our Just for Fun group, to remind yourself why living on your own, with your son, not having to worry about anyone else and having the freedom for all your choices to be yours is so fantastically great.

You have a lot going for you, you don't need a man. When the time is right, the right one will find you. :D

Posted on: August 12, 2009 - 10:39am
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Quote:
Just seems like so long ago that someone actually loved me and did the little stuff with me, you know, the little trips out, squeezing my hand and telling me I'm lovely!

I know bec, but you mustn't dwell on this, it is important to feel loved, but your son needs you right now and you need him. these things will come, but right now concentrate on what you do have, not what is missing.

Look after you.

Posted on: August 12, 2009 - 11:02am
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

FYI - I heard a few years ago that the average amount of someone parenting alone is 7 years, so time will tell!

It does not have to be forever!

Posted on: August 12, 2009 - 2:32pm
pinkgrapefruit

Thanks for all the kind messages guys, I got a bit upset on Wed so took myself and son off to my parents for a couple of days. Nice food, trips to the seaside etc and I feel loads better now! Wed was made worse by the builder that I had lined up to do some work on the house calling me to say he couldn't do it anymore, made me feel like the whole world was against me! lol. Its amazing what a bit of time away with some decent sleep can do tho, I'm ready to start again!

Bec x

Posted on: August 14, 2009 - 7:16pm
Pansy

Oh Bec!!
I have just read the whole thread & could cry, so glad you are feeling better now though.
Sorry I did not see thread before now.

You deserve to meet mr perfect & I'm sure you will one day.
take care
Pansy

Posted on: August 14, 2009 - 8:25pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hello Bec

That was good that you were able to get away for a couple of days, it is always nice when someone else does the cooking as well. It is understandable that you have been feeling low after what happened but don't lket it get you down for too long, you have a lovely future to build (and when the builder turns up you can take a big leap forward :) )

Hope you have some nice things planned for the weekend for you and your boy

Posted on: August 15, 2009 - 8:23am
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Hi Bec

Flipping builders! Don't take it personally, I think every trade is the same (I worked with a heating and plumbing firm for years - so frustrating).

Glad you had some time out with your parents. Its good to know they're there.

Take care, and hope you're able to sort out a builder.

Posted on: August 15, 2009 - 5:02pm
pinkgrapefruit

Thanks. I've decided not to rush to find another builder. At least we are in the house now and I was getting a bit stressed about everything there is to do so, just like we all discussed on the thread when I was moving, I will now try to just enjoy the doing rather than be desperate for the house to be perfect straight away - gives me longer to find the money too!

As for men - think I need a break for a while!!

Posted on: August 15, 2009 - 7:02pm
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

:lol: :lol: Great plan! :lol:

Posted on: August 17, 2009 - 11:46am