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Its the kids that count now....

SmileyOne

Hi, im new to all this and just want to spill....

I am now a single working mum in her 20's.....We split up 9 months ago, 7 months ago he moved back to his mums house 150 miles away. Since then he has seen the children only if I make the trip to him, I tried at first to go once a month, but found it difficult due to the cost of fuel and adding mileage to car (i have a mileage limit). He doesn't have a car and hasn't been able to hold down a job so has no money....Although I know he worked odd days for his friends/family whilst claiming job seekers allowance. He has not made ANY contibution financially/emotionally to the children since he moved away. He might phone once a week/fortnight. He has had the children stay for the weekend on 2 occasions (at his mothers) and both times he has dragged them round wherever suited him, he doesn't take them anywhere or do anything with them on his own. He has now informed me he has moved into his new girlfriends (of 3 weeks) flat and they are in love etc...Great im pleased he's happy I just want to get on with my life now......But now he wants to start seeing the kids again and told me I have to accept the fact his new GF is going to be part of their lives.....

Q, Am I wrong for not wanting her involved so early on?
We have only been apart 9 months, the kids still dont know whether they are coming or going, or why daddy doesn't keep his promises to phone/see them. All they want is to see him...not him + new GF or his mates....they want his quality time, which he just doesn't understand. I want to stop them from being hurt and dissappointed by him but don't know what is the right thing to do. We had a car crash (me and the kids) I txt (he wasn't answering the phone) and told him when everything had calmed down, he didn't call until nearly 2 days later...am i wrong for being mad about that? He has shown no commitment to the children and seems to just walk in and out when he feels like it.

I also have my suspicions that he is involved in drugs which worries the hell out of me because I dont know who he is involved with anymore.......

I just want to do the right thing by my kids and im worried that having him in their lives will do more harm than good......
any feed back would be gratefully appreciated as im fed up with crying myself to sleep wondering what to do for the best.

Thanks for reading, and sorry for the essay

Posted on: November 17, 2008 - 9:33pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Hi

Other than saying he wants to see the children, has he put forward any form of contact arrangement he would like? How does he propose seeing them - will he be coming to your area at his cost? He is the one who moved away...

You can say that you don't want the g/f involved - but this can be difficult when the children are with him - in theory he can do what he wants so long as he's not putting the children in danger.

If he's put no effort into seeing them before this, there could be a good chance that he won't now. On the other hand, it could be the g/f who thinks its important he sees the children?

I'm not very comforting here, am I, sorry.

How old are your children?

Posted on: November 17, 2008 - 10:12pm
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

This is always a tricky situation.

It is perfectly understandable that you are questioning how right it is for your children to be around his new partner as he has only been with her for such a short space of time but things have moved rapidly for him and he feels ready to take on more responsibility.

sparklinglime is right, if the children are with him you have no say over what he does with them. It is our reponsibility to ensure our children are safe at all times, but we can not control the relationship between father and child, that is theirs to resume, cultivate and grow hopefully.

Our children often get hurt along the way and we can't always stop that from happening, but as long as we stay strong and firm and only make arrangements that we are happy with, stay in control and not be bullied into doing more than our fair share of their relationship, the children will soon get a sense of acceptable behaviour and what makes them happy.

Whether he listens/understands or not, keep telling him how important it is that they spend quality time with him and what it means to them. If he wants to see the children let him come and get them, let him arrange transport, tell him that if he is going to have an active part in their life, that you wish for him to help pay for them, either with an friendly agreement or through the CSA. So that he understands that they are not pawns in a chess game, but that they have needs and wants too.

sparklinglime has another good point about him making formal contact arrangements. Children need routine and stability and maybe for yourself too. If he decided that once a month he was going to collect them for the weekend it would put your mind at ease. It is always difficult at first, but as you may see from some other posts, (assuming that you feel your children are safe) that it can be a bonus in your life.

Best of Luck SmileyOne, keep smiling, you are looking out for your childrens best interests, which of course is one of the hardest jobs in the world.

After reading these posts let us know how you are doing. :)

Posted on: November 18, 2008 - 4:59pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi SmileyOne

I see that you have some concerns about your children's dad having some drug involvement. It is important that you try to get to the bottom of this as otherwise contact with him may not be the best thing for them, or it may need to be in a controlled environment such as a child contact centre.

I agree with you that a new partner should not be introduced into the situation too soon but as the others have said, it is something you have no choice about.

If you do decide that he is safe to have the children, then it is important to have a regular arrangement, especially if your children are younger and in that age group who will ask "how many sleeps till we see Daddy?" etc. I usually suggest that younger children can have a calendar and cross the days off, with a picture on the day they are seeing dad. But you can't do this if he isn't turning up regularly, it just makes it more hurtful for them. If you decide it is Ok for him to see them, I suggest you write him a letter explaining that you have taken expert advice and that you have been told it is vital that children have a routine re seeing their other parent. Ask him what he would suggest as his routine. Ask him if he would go to Family Mediation to sort out a firm agreement. Mediation is not always the best thing for everyone as it will tend to impose a rigid timetable but it sounds as if this is what you need now.

The issue of payment of maintenance is completely separate from the issue of parenting time. Even if he does not establish a contact pattern, state in the letter that you would like to come to an amicable agreement of maintenance payment within the next 28 days otherwise you will have to claim maintenance through the CSA. As a guide, they would normally look at a contribution of 20% of income for two kids and 25% for more than two.

I would echo what Anna has said, you are clearly wanting the best for your kids, don't beat yourself up, congratulate youself on being there for your kids. Keep telling them how much you love them and how you will always look after them (they might be scared you will go too) and that they are wonderful. And keep telling youself that too!

Louise :)

Posted on: November 19, 2008 - 6:17pm
SmileyOne

Hi, and thankyou for your feedback...

My children are 6 (7 in Jan) and 4, and me and heir dad were together for 8 years.
Since my essay of a post i've not heard anything from him at all, until tonight... I've tried to explain to him that I do not want to stop him from seeing his children but I have to put there welfare first. We can;t even talk anymore he gts so angry and shouts and swears, which isnt helpful. I just can't get throught to him that this isn't about us anymore but about the chikdren. He thinks its all about me being in control and that its all on my terms, but all i've actually asked of him is a commitment and REGULAR arrangement....Otherwise the children won't know wether they are coming or going. They are stable and happy right now and im so scared that he is going to screw their heads up, id rather he just disappeared. His point is that, he doesn't have a job or money and won't come here to see them, he wants them in his home town. And that he can't commit to any regular contact because of these issues.... I have responded by telling him that unless he can put forward a plan for regular contact and he commits to his children then he can't have them in his home town....Not bcause I ant to spite him or be controlling, but because the children need stability...His response...Bollox, i'll take you to court then. He really believes im doing this to control him. I dont care what he does anymore, I just want what the kids need....

Now what happens if he goes to a solicitor????

Posted on: November 27, 2008 - 10:08pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Let him take you Court. I always wanted my ex to take me to Court and he never has!

It might be an idea trying to see a family solicitor though (try and see one who is recommended) so you can put forward how you want things to be, and see what the solicitor advices. You would then have an idea of where you stand should he take things further.

Your children do need stability. Their father needs to get a job so that he can make an effort to see the children. I think what you've put to him is all reasonable too.

It took me about three years to start to accept things as they were with my ex, so I realise it is easy for me to say all this. It was exhausting trying to get him to stick to contact arrangements. He now gives me 24 hours notice of when he sees the children, and it works ok really. There's been a lot of anger on my part getting to this point. He just smiles sweetly - or weeps in front of the children telling them how unreasonable I am - causing them tremendous distress.

You do need to be aware though that the Court will see your concerns as 'hear say'. The chances are that he would be awarded contact every other weekend, and I should imagine that you could well be put in the position where you would at least need to share in the travelling arrangements as I've no doubt that he will be able to take the children to his home town.

Non-resident parents, in my view, do have the control over the parent with care. The kindest thing you can do is always be positive with your children about their father. If the parent with care is negative with the child/ren it can be considered to be emotional abuse. (I had a discussion about this with a senior social worker in a child abuse course I did with a housing association for vulnerable women. I was really shocked, and it has made me be doubly careful about saying anything negative within earshot of their father.)

None of this is easy. I'm hoping it stops when the youngest as 18...

Posted on: November 28, 2008 - 12:12pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hello Smiley

it is a shame that this cannot be resolved amicably, for the children's sake. Going to court raises the level of conflict between you. However, if he is going to bring a court action then you have little choice. The court case is likely to adjourn very quickly and ask for Cafcass reports. These people are the court family officers who will talk to/work with both parents and also the children. If they recommend that he has parenting time, this will be very specific and fixed. You can find a family solicitor by going to http://www.communitylegaladvice.org.uk/index.jsp and clicking on the "find an adviser in your area" on the left. You will have to check out the question of cost as legal aid is much more restricted these days. Most solicitors will offer you an initial 30-minute interview free of charge; do check this before making an appointment! You (or the court, or Cafcass) can suggest that you both go to mediation in order to calm things down.

Thanks for your comments, Sparkling Lime. I do have to say that my experience of working with separated families tells me that often the parent with majority care says that the non-resident parent has all the control in this situation, whereas the non-resident parent will think that control rests with the majority care parent. I guess that no-one is a winner in this situation, especially the kids and the most important thing we can do as parents (whether with residence or not) is to love our children and keep on reassuring them of that.

Louise :)

Posted on: November 28, 2008 - 9:16pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Hi Louise

Just the non-resident parent can stir and walk away. I think the sad part is that nothing can be done to keep the non-resident parent to stick to agreements.

Just my experience, of course. I do have a friend where things were amicable between her and her ex. I so wanted that for my lot.

Posted on: November 29, 2008 - 9:45pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi sparkling, yes I know you were mentioning on another thread about your experiences and it is true that although we may WANT our kids to have a good relationship with both aprents, we cannot force the other parent to engage....which can feel extra unfair as, in theory, the legal system can "force" the resident parent to co-operate with parenting time for the other parent. :?

Louise

Posted on: December 2, 2008 - 8:46pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

It's sad, isn't it? Understandable too why normally calm people can get so worked up over it. I get calmer as time goes by! Oh, but for some sleep. Would be lovely to be able to go to bed at 8pm sometimes! :lol: and someone else to get the children's teeth brushed and get them to bed (quietly...)

Posted on: December 3, 2008 - 12:33pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

I'm glad you're feeling gradually calmer. Parenting alone is a very hard job, no wonder we are often so tired. At least if you can't go to bed at 8, you might be able to sneak off at 9 or as soon as they are in bed if they are younger ;) .....the development into teens is yet another challenge, when they want to stay up longer than you. :roll: (yawn)

Posted on: December 3, 2008 - 9:10pm