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Finding work without getting worse off

harissa

I'm a 44 year old single parent with a 19 year old off to Uni in September and a 10 year old who has started getting into trouble recently. I also have an 18 year old who lives with his father but who spends most of his time using our resources as he cannot support him.

I have been applying for full-time and part-time work with no success so far. Trouble is there IS a job I could apply for but as it is for only 10 hours a week on minimum pay, I won't qualify for any assistance offered for if the job was for 16 hours or more.

Unfortunately, following many years of illness (for which I've only recently received proper treatment) and living on income support, I literally would not be able to survive financially on just 10 hour's pay or even until the 1st pay check arrived. I even phoned up the employer today to ask if they have any positions with more hours but they said they don't at present.

I am applying for jobs far below my qualifications and ability, in addition to jobs for which I am well-suited. The few interviews I have had all went very well apart from the fact that I didn't get the job ;o) The feedback is that I'm doing everything right and am a very strong capable candidate but that the job has gone to somebody already in work, often transferring from another department.

To be honest, I really thought that by now I would have found work. Worse, there are noticeably less jobs in the paper each week and several of my working friends have been laid off in the last 3 months and are alarmed by the worsening job situation.

All my skills are up to date and I have course-overload plus ample certification. The best the job centre could suggest was doing yet more voluntary work and, indeed, I filled in many volunteer applications at a recent volunteers' fair. Deep down, however, I worry constantly about not having sufficient money to pay the bills and buy food. We already do without holdays, decent footwear, schooltrips which need money, and things like cinema visits and days out. Last winter we had insufficient money to heat the house or to cook as many hot meals as we would have liked and I am dreading this Winter. Voluntary work is all very well but I desparately need to bring in much more than income support to really make a difference.

The stuff in the news about forcing people to work for the dole is really stressing me out too as it will mean that there will be even less proper jobs. Why employ someone if you can have a benefit claimant's labour for free?

Can anyone offer any suggestions on how I can get out of the poverty trap? Thanks.

Posted on: July 21, 2008 - 7:51pm
ficurnow

Hi Harissa - I feel for you, honey - I really do: you sound like you've had an incredibly rough deal and you're being very brave.

My understanding was that if you took a job that was less than 16 hours a week you would still qualify for JSA - have you explored that option with the Job Centre? There might be something else out there that would bring your hours up above the 16 hours required to claim working tax credit. When I was first on my own with the kids I ran two jobs in tandem for a year to do that, until I got myself in a position to manage on just the one (which was 18 hours at that time). Having 2 jobs was a strain, though - so if your health has not been good be wary of that.

And no child should miss out on school trips because of parental income. Working in a school now myself I KNOW that head teachers have the discretion to pay for low-income families' trips out of school fund. I know sometimes we're too proud to ask for help - but please be aware that the option exists. Talk to the head teacher in confidence sometime.

Take care and let us know how you get on. Lots of love, Fi x

Posted on: July 22, 2008 - 10:32am
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi Harissa, Fi has given you excellent advice, I agree that you should talk to your school about support with trips.

I know that volunteering seems like a company gets a benefits claimant for free labour, but there is the other side that often people who do volunteer within an organisation tend to be first on the list once a job comes up. I know many single parents who have got back into the work force this way, in a job that they thoroughly enjoy.

Call One Parent Families free on 0800 018 5026 or visit their website http://www.oneparentfamilies.org.uk for further information on housing benefits and any other benefit queries you have, they are extremely helpful and are dedicated to supporting single parents.

These are testing times for you Harissa and I am sure many, if not all the single parents on this site can empathise with you, keep in touch and let us know your progress or frustrations. Good Luck :)

Posted on: July 22, 2008 - 5:32pm
moy63

Hi Harissa
You are not alone. I have been lucking for part-time work for a long time with no success. The few interviews I have been to have gone well but I didn't get the job. One job I applied for on the Thursday and by Monday I had a letter saying that I had not got the job! I think alot of them are already spoken for but they have to advertise them. I have recently completed a computer course (ECDL) but if I don't use the skills soon I will forget. It doesn't help that the Jobcentre is putting more pressure on people. Get a job or loose your benefits. What if there are no suitable jobs to get or taking a low paid job will not pay the bills. Its the old story, they want experience but without work you can't get it. Why don't they give an unemployed person a chance instead of giving the job to someone who already has one. I am willing to train and learn new skills. Financially things are hard, I have to spread what little I have a long way, I'm very good at it now. Keep trying, thats all you can do.

Good Luck

Moy63

Posted on: July 22, 2008 - 7:21pm
harissa

Fi, I actually enquired about the jobseekers allowance for less than 16 hours a week work but on behalf of my daughter.

Our basic expenditure began to exceed our income as a result of my teenage daughter taking a 6 hour a week Saturday job to put towards her university fund and her own clothes. This earnt her £36 a week - about £10 less than job seekers allowance. Even so we were told that because she had a job she did not qualify for job seekers allowance, even though she earnt less than the benefit! Then, because she was not claiming job seekers allowance, I became liable for a percentage of the rent and council tax. On top of that, our income support was slashed by one third as she was of an age no longer eligible for child benefit.

Actually I'm due to appear at a benefits tribunal as the benefits office's own maladministration resulted in us continuing to receive income support for her after they were fully aware her child benefit had stopped. I wont go into full details as it is a very long story but it has been a living nightmare and my MP and the CAB are now involved too. As the stress has been the last straw I'm putting the future on hold until after the tribunal as I simply cannot cope with all the things I have to think about.

Posted on: July 23, 2008 - 3:57pm
tigerlily

Dear Harissa

Good luck with your benefits review. I really feel for you, especially if you are struggling with your health. My understanding is that if you took a job for less than 16 hours then you would still get some Income Support because of your 10 year old, I am glad you have got Citizen's Advice to help you, though, they are brill

Tigerlily

Posted on: July 28, 2008 - 9:47am
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Harissa, it does sound like you have been through the mill, or going through it, good luck with the tribunal, let us know how it went.

Visit http://www.singleparents.org.uk/span/publications you can download information from a recent research project about the realities of being a single parent and working, the challenges involved in moving forward into sustainable employment and the related policy suggestions for overcoming these challenges. Obviously it won't be much help with finding you work and peace of mind, but it could help to feel like you are not alone. I am sure you will be able to relate to the issues.

Remember with all this going on, it is still important for you to have some good times, whether they be a picnic in the park or luxuriating in the bath, the future will get brighter, just look after yourself.

Has anyone found a way out of the poverty trap?

Posted on: July 30, 2008 - 10:35am
harissa

Forgot to report that I WON the tribunal! I had to wait a month after the judgemnt to be sure that I'd really won as the Job Centre had a period of grace where they could challenge the decision. Fortunately this did not happen. The stress had weighed down heavily on me between February to November, so it's a relief that line can now be drawn under that particular nasty!

As for the job search, jobs are becoming noticeably thin on the ground round here. I'm observing an increase in jobs advertised for very short periods, eg -just 2 weeks of work, contract non-renewable, or for as little as 3 hours work each week.

Currently I've applied for a job which is just 3 and a half hours per week on minimum pay. The job centre advised me NOT to apply for it as it is less than 16 hours a week so anything I earn over £20 will be deducted from my income support. It is also on a Saturday when there is no available childcare, nor anyone reliable at hand to keep an eye on my son, but tough we need the money! I am hoping that if I get the job, then I will not be barred from getting the £40 per week assistance in returning to real work in the future.

Today's news articles about government plans to make all single mums with children over one look for work or live on even less, has struck me as incredibly ironic and insulting, in light of my own experiences. Once again I am shocked, saddened and demoralised by the sheer vitriol in the comments from newspaper readers damning single mums. We'll be in the pillory for stealing people's jobs next ;o)

Posted on: December 2, 2008 - 10:46pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Hi harissa

So glad you won the tribunal.

I so agree with what you say about benefits for lone parents. Easy targets, really aren't they? Media hype it all up so the public start pointing fingers, and then the government acts. I'm sure none of those finger pointing would choose to live this way.

Best wishes.

Posted on: December 3, 2008 - 12:13pm
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi Harissa

Great news about the tribunal :P

Often single parents are society's scape goats for one thing or another, as it was mentioned somewhere else on the board. We go to work to build a better life for ourselves and our children (and to stop being such scroungers of the state benefit system!), then as there is no childcare for over 11's we have to leave our children to their own devices until we get home. Then we are blamed for not being at home raising them! Ironic!

It is a struggle but there are many many single parents out there that know the realities of working and raising self disciplined, intelligent, caring children, you are not alone :)

I would suggest that you talk again to your Lone Parent Advisor at the Job Centre about what the situation will be if you take the Saturday job, just to ensure that you don't lose out on the £40 back to work money.

Posted on: December 3, 2008 - 12:16pm
harissa

I've found my pile of "useful information" about the financial assistance available and the £40 weekly thing is for when a long-term unemployed person starts working for 16 hours a week or more. Working for 3 and a half hours theoretically doesn't count as a real job so I should still qualify when I land something with longer hours.

Still, it is funny that the Job Centre is advising me NOT to apply for that job! But twenty pounds is twently pounds - even if it is all that I'm allowed to keep regardless of how long I work! Personally I think the government really needs to do homework on what the breadline realistically should be these days. The amount a family on income support is forced to live on - even if they make all efforts to legally improve their circumstances - is punitive.

Posted on: December 4, 2008 - 2:59pm
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Here, here.

I also wonder why we get letters saying that 'This is what the law says that we need to live on' and then you get paid less because of an overpayment you are paying back and a community loan etc, so surely they are obviously breaking the law because we are now living on less than what the law says. Bizarre.

Anyway good luck with your Saturday job, if you decide to go ahead and take it, I agree, £20 is an extra £20, that makes £80 a month, people that have never had NO money have no idea how much £20 really is.

Take care of you

Posted on: December 5, 2008 - 1:11pm
harissa

Bad news about the job - I didn't get it!

The interview went very well and the interviewer had even worked for the very same librarian I had done all those years ago when I was doing my A Levels. The rejection phonecall was very apologetic and explained that all the interviewees were of extremely high calibre.

It makes me think that if I can't even get the same job I had as a school-kid, I don't have much real hope of getting anything now. Escort work seems the only stuff advertised in the local papers at the moment and I'm not too keen on going down that route.

Just what is going to happen in October if I don't have a proper job by then? I'm more than concerned that people in my position will be used to work in essential services for free, further fuelling the loss of paid jobs. Something like that did happen in the mid-late 80s with the community service scheme, so it is a possibility.

Posted on: December 19, 2008 - 1:12pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

I agree harissa, it is a real worry. Sorry to hear about the job, I know it took me a while to get a "chance" when I went back in. Doing two jobs in tandem as Fi suggested, is one answer. Another idea is what about a private cleaning job? You could just do a few hours to earn your extra £20 and in the meantime look at what you might need to do to update your skills. In my case it was an IT course while I did cleaning work.

I know a lot of people who suddenly take that drop in income when their child leaves school and I don't think enough publicity is given to it.

Try not worry too much and spoil the coming break

Take care

Louise :)

Posted on: December 21, 2008 - 12:48pm
harissa

Unfortunately cleaning jobs are out of question for me now as I suffer extreme allergic reactions to many cleaning materials. It is a real nuisance as, before I was poisoned, I had done cleaning work and even been able to go into places where bleach had been used. So I'm a bit stuck at present.

I was hoping to get that 3 and a half hour job and then, once in the system, add other jobs to build up to over 16 hours a week. What I think has happened is that the job may well have gone to someone already working there but, of course, the employer is obliged to advertise.

Both my older children are now out of work too, which is a worry so early on in their working lives. My son's contract was not renewed but neither were those of any of his workmates. My daughter left her job to start university but was dissatisfied with the course and prospects so she cut her losses and has tried to get back into her old job, where she is still on the staff list. Shockingly they are not even taking on anyone for Xmas this year, so she's now on jobseekers. It is such a waste!

Posted on: December 21, 2008 - 1:31pm
zane26

my ex was always the one who worked, i am the carer to my son and since he left i'm now living on £200 a week thats £400 less than when he was here. But ironically my outgoing have rose, i dont drive so need public transport to get to anf from the hospitl etc. I would really like to work but dont have any qualifications really. I was in college and got a gnva in business studies then while working through the holds in a bar met my ex and that was that. I have had pt cleaning jobs and a pt job in a vets but always had to quit when the ex informed me he couldn't cope with kids alone. Not sure what to do now??? Any advice wouls be great

Posted on: July 26, 2009 - 6:59pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Just a quick thought: if you have to go to the hospital regularly (or only occasionally) then do ask at the desk about travel costs, most hospitals appear to have schemes to refund people's bus fares if they are on Income Support

Posted on: July 26, 2009 - 8:35pm
zane26

Louise wrote:
Just a quick thought: if you have to go to the hospital regularly (or only occasionally) then do ask at the desk about travel costs, most hospitals appear to have schemes to refund people's bus fares if they are on Income Support

thx louise but i dont get income support as i said my ex worked, had his own business and now he has gone the kids and i live off the carers allowence and dla we get oh and tax credits. so not sure i would qualify

Posted on: July 27, 2009 - 7:47pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Ah, maybe not, worth a try though ;)

Posted on: July 28, 2009 - 10:44am