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DogDays76

Hi, not sure how all this works...
I'm DogDays76, my son is 7.
His dad has him every other weekend - he lives with his girlfriend.
I have a boyfriend who I don't live with - i've been seeing him for two years.

However, we broke up in april because he didn't know if he wanted a family - I was devastated.
I turned to my parents for support - they have supported me throughout..I have suffered from depression for 17 years.

My dad has always been a violent and sometimes inappropriate man,with my mum doing whatever he says.
They are rich, so offered alot of financial support, I am even halfway through a masters at uni to get myself out of benefits trap - couldn't have done it without them, can't really survive on maintenance and tax cred without their help.

So, thats the background - my boyfriend went off and did his own thing (ie slept with other women) Then he realised he wanted me back, said he was 100% sure - and that he was ready to involve my son in his life (he was bought up by a single mum) He has subsequently spent time with my son, I think I believe him, but i find it hard to trust people.

My parents have disowned me.

They were due to see their grandchild (he thinks the world of them) on Saturday, but they didn't, they wouldn't answer my calls and then sent an abrupt message.

Now they have offered to take him to my sister's (in Nottingham) on the weekend for his cousins's birthday - my son's cousin is one of the most important people in his life -my sister is on my parents side.

I suppose my question is what to do about grandparents when you don't get on?

I'm finding it difficult to get through all this.

Help?

Posted on: September 15, 2009 - 5:11pm
Bubblegum
DoppleMe

Hi.. have you seen the film with Al Pachino.. Dog Day Afternoons? it's good, I just thought of it when I saw your name : )

Have your parents disowned you because you've got back with the father of your child?

and..

Is it the two sets of grandparents that aren't getting on?

Either way, don't worry about what other people are doing : ) just get on with your life how you want to and if that's not good enough for them (who ever they are) that is their problem. I realise it's not always that simple but that's the basic idea : )

Don't take on other peoples problems.

Don't settle for second best.

Don't make compromises.

Go for what YOU want.

Life lessons by me : )

Posted on: September 15, 2009 - 6:26pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

I don't know what to suggest.

Sending loads of hugs your way.

Posted on: September 15, 2009 - 11:27pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi Dogdays76

As I understand the situation, your parents have disowned you because you have got back together with this man. However, they clearly do want a relationship with your son as they have offered to take him on a family trip. Do you feel Ok about them taking him for the trip? the reason I ask is because of the violence you mentioned. If you feel Ok about this, then I wonder if they will come round to the idea if your boyfriend puts in a lot of leg-work (and let's face it, if he wants to be with you he should be prepared to do this). However, at the end of the day it is up to you what you do and not their decision, even if they threaten to withdraw their financial support. If your boyfriend lets you down again then you might have to be prepared to do some major back-tracking

Are you getting some treatment and support for your depression?

Posted on: September 16, 2009 - 3:03pm
DogDays76

thanks for responses - it really helps
my boyfriend doesn't want anything to do with them because of my father's behaviour to me when i was young (he feels to meet them would be condoning such behaviour)
they have withdrawn all financial support which means i can't continue university, I am also in debt- firmly trapped in benefits - i feel to backtrack would keep me under their control?? which I don't want to be in, at all - eg should they not help me if they want to without having a say in who i can and can't see - i'm 33?! Its almost like, because they have helped me with my son - that i can never be an independant adult....
to make matters worse i found make up in my boyfriends bathroom that didn't belong to me (last night)- he thought it was mine, so I strongly suspect he's cheating on me, he has a lot of relationships with girls - that i don't understand, though we had an argument and he managed to turn it round - saying that he'd had a sort out and obviously they were from when we weren't together....even if i split up with him i can't go back to my parents, i just cannot.
I have been on and off anti depressants for 17 years, I have counselling...but I am REALLY REALLY struggling and having thoughts like my son would be better off with his dad and his family as I am in such a hole.

Posted on: September 16, 2009 - 4:07pm
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi DogDays76
I really do feel for you. At the moment you don't know whether to trust your boyfriend. He could of course be telling the truth about the make-up being there when you two had split up. I always think it is best to go with your instincts, and as you say, he has cheated before.
Your parents disowning you is awful, and must be another wrench for your son.
I think that what they are doing is a form of abuse. Its like they are saying to you, do it our way, or go it alone. That is terrible.
Being on benefits is hard, and being a single parent is hard, so I can sympathise on that one.
It would be great if you could manage on your own, and show them you don't need their support. You also don't need their approval at your age to see whoever you want to. I can absolutely understand your boyfriends view, but he is also hurting you by cheating!!!!
You are obviously feeling very low right now, and finding everything a struggle. Keep posting and you will receive lots of support.
Take care
Alison
x :)

Posted on: September 16, 2009 - 4:43pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

All my personal view points... I really hope none offends, as even now, I'm not sure what I'm going to say... 8-)

University - have you been to the University to see what options are open to you to carry on studying? They may be able to offer a lot of advice.

You son. I'm sure that together you make a good team. In a way it's good that he will continue a relationship with his grandparents.

I think if you can somehow manage to put 'parents' in one box and 'grandparents' in another. It will be good for your son to have contact with them. I'm just wondering if you feel you'll be stronger without them.

Your boyfriend. You have your doubts and your suspicions (which I can't spell, sorry). Sometimes you need to act on those.

There could be ways around this.

Posted on: September 16, 2009 - 6:22pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

I do agree with sparkling lime, it is good to feel that you are not boxed in, Dogdays76 and can take some control by finding out what your options may be about continuing to study. Also she mentions that your parents are also your son;s grandparents and you need to think about whtehr you want them to continue either or both or none of these roles.

Whatever happens with your boyfriend it is important that you are there for your son. I am glad you are getting some support with your depression.It is tempting to think that your boy would be better off with his dad, when you feel so low. Maybe he could have a visit with them to give you a bit of a break? or you could think about more regular contact with them so give you more breaks of routine?

Posted on: September 17, 2009 - 9:33am
DogDays76

Thanks guys...

I have no idea re boyfriend, it really does seem too much. I feel completely on my own.

Ironically - I have just qualified as a counsellor (thats what the first two years of study at uni were) - i had hoped to go on with my masters - the uni can help a bit, but not enough.

My dad had said he would help me start up (I need a rented room and supervisor) that in reality is impossible now.

I claim housing benefit to live in a house that my son's father's father owns (desparately complicated) so basically the benefit covers the mortgage for them to have another house amongst their other investments/properties. Though they are absolutely loaded they say if I do start earning anything that gets taken from the benefits I'll have to cover - so I feel at best I'd be making nothing, at worst could be further in debt.

I will try to let George see his grandparents - its hard - they're having him on Saturday and going to my sister's family in Nottingham (she's sided with them) as it's my nephew's birthday. It hurts....

I'm not doing very well today.

Posted on: September 17, 2009 - 10:47am
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi DogDays
Well done for qualifying :) I'm not too clued up on benefits etc, but there are links on the home page to browse through. Can you not try and chat with your Dad? I know it is hard to do, but you never know.
Can you not try for a council place? At least you won't be indebted to your son's grandad. Who knows you might be better off.
It would be a shame if your son didn't get to visit his cousin. I have detached myself from most of my family, (and have to say, am much happier). I wouldn't stop my 7 year old from ever seeing them, but I know how hard the decision is.
At least if your son goes for the weekend, it will give you a break, and also time to think things through properly, ie, your options etc.
It is very hard when you are feeling so low, and you feel totally on your own. Somedays, I have to drag myself out of bed, and dread facing things, but I know I'm the only one who can help myself basically.
It will get better for you, so keep your chin up and keep posting on here.
Take care
Alison
x :)

Posted on: September 17, 2009 - 11:54am
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Congratultions on qualifying. That is so brilliant.

There's such a need for counsellors, I'm wondering if the Jobcentre could give you some guidance with finding work in that role?

Have you been to see the lone-parent advisor at the Jobcentre. I'm wondering if they can refer you to a careers officer who can help further.

While you may physically feel alone, hopefully we can help a little here... Virtual hugs can be effective (although not as good as the real thing...).

Be kind to you. There will be ways forward, just sometimes it can take time to see that. Little steps will get you there.

Posted on: September 17, 2009 - 12:34pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

We are all here to support you, Dogdays76 :)

Posted on: September 17, 2009 - 3:49pm
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi there DogDays76

What a rough time you are having, I hope that you have found the replies that people have given supportive and useful.

It is so important that you stand on your own two feet, we all need support from family and friends, but we must not feel bullied by them.

Only you know what is right with your partner, you and your son come first, so any messing about from him, or if you feel uncertain, take a step back until you are really sure. Life is hard enough raising children on our own without the heartache another adult can bring.

Good suggestions raised about separating your thinking around 'your parents' and 'your sons grandparents'

It is important for our children to have extended family in their lives as long as it is a positive and healthy relationship and doesn't have a negative impact on you.

Also good suggestion about contacting the University to see what bursaries there are available. Many many many single parents live on benefits alone, you can do it, you just have to cut back on little luxuries. It is such a sense of achievement when you do and you then feel less beholden to others.

How are you feeling today??

Posted on: September 21, 2009 - 2:29pm
DogDays76

Hi
Thanks for your message.
I'm not feeling good today - have been in bed since dropped my son off.

My parents took my son to my sister's for the weekend. My mum wouldn't even look me in the eye - which I found devastating. She spoke to my son but not me, at all - I think he suspects something is up as I'm crying alot -I don't know what to tell him?

I spent the weekend with my boyfriend, aswell as him receiving texts from girls, make up in his bathroom - one of his good friends told me he was a ' rogue with a wondering eye'. I don't think I can cope with it all - to be with him or to separate.

The uni offers some bursary - but it doesn't cover it all. Thats where my dad was going to help. I've worked so hard.

I can live off benefits - just- but i've got a 500 pound debt which i don't know how i'm going to clear.

To be honest all seems pretty hopeless.

I feel very alone.

Trying to keep going just for my son - but apart from him see no reason to carry on really. Wouldn't do that to him though.

Sorry to be so miserable.

Posted on: September 21, 2009 - 2:53pm
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi DogDays76

You sound really low. When you find you are near rock bottom, it is always good to call the Samaritans, they are open 24hrs a day. Many of us here online have used them and found them to be extremely helpful and supportive, their number is: 08457 90 90 90.

Your son will see the animosity from your parents, children are highly perceptive, perhaps you can tell him that you are not seeing eye to eye at the moment.

It sounds like you don't trust your boyfriend and finding dealing with him, as well as everything else, one thing too many.

Being on your own can be the best thing in the world, it gives you the chance to focus on yourself and your child and find out what makes you happy and what you want out of life. It can be very freeing. Surely it would be better to rely on yourself and trust your instincts than to be messed around by someone who is not putting you first.

It sounds like you have worked really hard, going to Uni and completing 2 years whilst raising a child on your own is a HUGE achievement, so give yourself a pat on your back. It is a shame that your dad won't help you out, but you can do this on your own and how proud you will feel.

If you are worried about debt, get in touch with your local Citizens Advice Bureau http://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/

We have all felt miserable and alone and as if we are being swallowed up by life, but you will get there. Are you finding it helpful seeing a therapist? By the fact you have come on here and looking for help tells me that you are making steps, therefore making changes. Give yourself a break and treat yourself to something nice, you have come so far, don't let others bring you down.

We are here for you. :)

Posted on: September 21, 2009 - 3:34pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Hi DogDays76

Loads of hugs. I can well imagine how upsetting all of this is for you. You've achieved so much. You can do this - and I'm sure when you start to come to terms with this that you'll realise this.

Do keep posting.

Posted on: September 21, 2009 - 6:51pm
Pansy

Hello dogdays,
sorry I have not posted until now. I have just read through your thread now.

Lots of good advice, but when you hit the bottom it is hard to be able to focus on things & get things into perspective.

Have you tried taking one day at a time & even one hour at a time? you really need to think about what this means too because for it to help you need to do it properly & I don't think that everyone does. To only focus so far ahead is very difficult. It may mean that you can't make plans ahead for the week, you worry you may forget something & many more things I cant think of right now, but if any one questions anything, you just say out loud to them that you are only dealing with this one day! & your sorry but that is how you have to cope right now. You then just go about dealing with what the day brings or what is happening that day or what it is you want to achieve that day. Even have a note book (sorry, I am a fan!) to write your list of small achievable things, they may be things you need to do in day or emotional things you decide to deal with that day. At the end of the day you can then tell yourself you have got through it & achieved something, even if it is only that you have got through it!

I always think that no one should stand for people in their life that are emotionally draining or people that you deep down really are not comfortable with. They will bring you down, cloud your judgment, & stop you moving forward. It is hard to spring clean our life of people when we feel alone & confused, but by doing it I think we become much clearer & stronger!
and make way for the new us & new friends.

I'm so sorry read this back & I sound so bossy! And there you are a counsellor! I am sure you know this or are even doing it.
although sometimes we all need reminding when we reach the bottom.
good luck

Sending you lots of hugs & strength.
Pansy

Posted on: September 21, 2009 - 11:58pm