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CSA maintenance review

Lionheart99

Hi does anyone have experience of this...?

I recently found out that my ex has been in a new job for a year without telling either me OR the CSA. I've been told that she is now a civil servant, but she only pays me £30 a month maintenance for our child. I've never asked her for a penny before, even though I'm living off benefits, and I buy all my daughters clothes, and I have a mountain of debt.

I assume that my ex thinks that if she paid more maintenance it would simply be deducted from my Income Support, which may have been true in the past, but now I feel that she is taking the p*** -especially as she has a good job and is openly spending money on holidays, clothes and expensive items for herself. I actually think that I would benefit from the extra income, even if I lost my Income Support completely.

My ex has a history of causing trouble whenever I criticize or rebuke her -usually far more trouble than it is worth, hence my reluctance to inform the CSA myself. So, is there anyway I can get the CSA to instigate a seemingly 'routine' maintenance review?

Posted on: August 30, 2009 - 12:51pm
Bubblegum
DoppleMe

Yes! just tell them : )

here. Does that help?

: )

Posted on: August 30, 2009 - 12:55pm
Lionheart99

Bubblegum wrote:
Yes! just tell them : )

here. Does that help?

: )

Probably! I've just been reluctant to press that button in case it generates a letter saying "we've been informed by your ex that....."

Posted on: August 30, 2009 - 12:57pm
Bubblegum
DoppleMe

Lionheart99 wrote:
Probably! I've just been reluctant to press that button in case it generates a letter saying "we've been informed by your ex that....."

Do fall for psychopaths too?

:D

but! I don't know how it works, you could though go to the 'Job Centre Plus!' or where ever it is the CSA hang about and ask them how it goes and tell them your concerns?

I dunno.

Posted on: August 30, 2009 - 1:02pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi Lionheart99

Child support does get deducted from your Income Support BUT you can keep the first £20 per week so this would a significant weekly increase for you. They are discussing in Parliament at the moment about whether to raise this figure to £50 (the political point being that they want less burden on the state for things like Community Care grants and Budgeting Loans by increasing income foe lone parents without having to do that themselves :D )

You could contact your daughter's mother and explain this (not my soapbox political bit, :lol: ) and ask if she could pay £20 a week direct to you and so the CSA need not be involved? Say that you don't want a lot of argy-bargy for either of you. Look at this link about private agreements http://www.cmoptions.org/

Posted on: August 30, 2009 - 1:10pm
summers1969

i also need help, im always broke my son's father has never ever given anything to either of us except empty promises, pain, a hell of a lot of lies and not one pound since my son was born 13yrs ago. we are at our wits end, my son is full of anger resentment and fury for the way his father treats him as a zero. not even one single 45p xmas or birthday card in 13yrs let alone anything else. He is now 13 and clothes and shoes cost 75% even 100% more than when he was 5 8 or 11yrs old. Plus he has had enough of forviving and wishing and went from wanting to die to wanting to kill him. How can i get any sort of ££££ from him. God even £5 a week would be better than nothing...its a few loaves of bread and a couple of ham packs, at least to me when all i buy is Value LOL. Please would anyone advice me what to do and how to do it legally and officially as we heard for 13yrs things like "i'll be there at 5 on monday with ten quid" or "i'll call at 2pm" "i'll be there at 11am" NOT ONCE in 13 yrs he ever did!!!! My god he doesnt even call..he rings twice and expects us to call back!! We wanted to die NOW we want JUSTICE! PLEASE HELP!!!!!

Posted on: August 30, 2009 - 1:38pm
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi Summers1969
I am in the same position as you. I have asked for even £5 a week, (that would at least show the kids that the father cares eh). I have asked the CSA to get involved, but I haven't heard anything. The sperm doner lives in Spain, and the CSA need to find out if the hotel he works in is English owned. If I knew how, I would find out the info, and hopefully speed things up.
I'm sorry your son is feeling resentful towards his father. 13 is a hard age for kids, and all that they go through. I guess I will have all this to come. Mine is nearly 7. I tell my son that his father does love him, but at the moment, I don't think my son really cares either way, but I'm sure his feelings will change, (just like your sons)
What is it with some men, they think they can make a baby and then fail to acknowledge them, take no responsibility for them etc.
I have to say though, that I'm extremely grateful to be a single parent. The sperm doner is very immature, and doesn't accept responsibilities. (He left England cos of his debts) I am glad he doesn't have any influence over my son.
You and your son will get through this.
Take care
Alison
x

Posted on: August 30, 2009 - 2:00pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hello guys

Firstly let me say that the "not caring what happens to the child" is not exclusive to men; plenty of women walk away too, believe me ;)

Alisoncam how long ago did you apply to the CSA? When a parent is abroad then it is often outside their jurisdiciton unless they are in the forces or employed by a British company, hence their insistence on finding out if the hotel is under British ownership. Anyway I am glad that you enjoy being a parent :)

Summers1960 hello! I hear that you are at the end of your tether with this one. Have you applied through the CSA? Is your boy's dad in this country? I don't know what your financial position is, are you on Income Support or do you work? if on Income Support, many local Councils supply school uniform vouchers. I guess if you have been on Income Support in the past you may have been affected by the recent changes in the law? Your boy is understandably angry about his dad's neglect but try not to "feed" this as it will only make him feel worse. Sometimes, as parents, we have to bit our tongues so hard I am surprised we don't have home-made piercings! :D

Posted on: August 30, 2009 - 4:31pm
Lionheart99

Louise wrote:

Firstly let me say that the "not caring what happens to the child" is not exclusive to men; plenty of women walk away too, believe me ;)

Yes! (thank you!)

Louise wrote:
Sometimes, as parents, we have to bit our tongues so hard I am surprised we don't have home-made piercings! :D

Absolutely. I can't bear my ex, but I maintain an outwardly friendly relationship with her in order to make things easier for our child.

Thanks for all the advice folks. I'm still making my mind up about what is best to do re the CSA.

Posted on: August 31, 2009 - 1:16pm
lindsaygii

As for all these fathers who won't pay a penny - my son's SD has refused to have anything to do with him (lovely man) and the CSA claim they are going to force him to pay anyway. So far I haven't actually seen any cash, but it's only been 11 weeks so far....

I am on the case with them regularly, and they do say that they can get the Inland Revenue to look into records, go to court, freeze assets, you name it. His co-operation is *not* relevant, they say.

As for informing on your ex - it's all confidential. Tell them. Can it really make things much worse??

Posted on: October 15, 2009 - 9:25pm
Claire-Louise

Hi Lindsaygii
Thanks for this post, it is really helpful and useful to others in the same position - a bit of inspiration in hard times.
Good to hear you are on to them on a consistant basis to keep them on the job - that is the only way to go!
I hope you will let us know once you hear back from them? Then we can get an idea of timescale to process these things.
Thanks
C-L

Posted on: October 21, 2009 - 4:26pm
lindsaygii

I spoke to the CSA again today. Basically, every time I talk to them there is something happening, and I ask by what date the next step has to happen, then ring them a couple of days after it. That way they can't slip!

Having said that, the woman there who is dealing with my case does sound very good. I'm pretty optimistic she's going to get something sorted out. Fingers crossed!

Posted on: October 23, 2009 - 8:18pm
Claire-Louise

Hi lindsaygii
Good for you keeping on top of the CSA like that! Good to hear that you are optimistic about the efficient lady at the CSA. It is also worth asking who you speak to each time and making a record of their names then you have a record of who has dealth with your issue each time bu also if you get someone who seems really good, you can then ask for that person again!
I will keep my fingers crossed for you too!
C-L

Posted on: October 25, 2009 - 11:40am
lindsaygii

I started a separate thread about it. I reckon we should all support each other with this stuff. And having each other to 'report back to' might make it easier to make those phone calls chasing them up as well....

:)

Posted on: October 25, 2009 - 10:30pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Yes it is difficult to keep motivated when you deal with a big institution! :shock:

Posted on: October 26, 2009 - 7:56am
Claire-Louise

Good idea lindsaygii regarding the new topic - we nned all the help, support and motivation we can get when dealing with these issues.
C-L

Posted on: October 26, 2009 - 6:57pm
deyone

Hi All,

I havent been on here for a while. I originally asked for help as my son is 4 and constantly asked about his 'so called father' and wanted to know why he didnt see him and someone suggested a really good book which i purchased called 'do i have a daddy' i read it to my son and since then he hasnt really asked about him. im not naive and think that will be the end of it but at least for now it seems to have appeased him somewhat. Just as i though we had got over one hurdle another happens. My son's 'so called father' was in his life for 2 years and soon after my son's 2nd birthday he decided he didnt want anything to do with anymore he obviously thought that meant financially as well so i went to the CSA and i was receivng £200 a month from him through them until 2 days ago when i got a letter from them saying due to a change in his circumstances my new payments are now £9.50 a week!!!! thats £40 a month. That cant even by my son a school jumper! not only that but i got the shock of my life when i read that his money is being split between 2 children!!! so he has abandoned my son and gone on to have another one which i presume he has abandoned also as why would their mother be claiming CSA??? I am really really hurt and angry that it appears that the government is awarding these absent fathers by every child they produce and dont want to take responsibility for, they reduce the innocent children's entitlement to help pay for the new child. Dont get me wrong his other child deserves all that my son does but why should he get to pay both us mothers less than what he was paying me singley? and apparently which i think is a convenient coincidence his wages have drastically been reduced at the same time there is another child being claimed for! Hence why my son is getting such a huge reduction in his maintainece money. I dont believe a word of it and trying to do some investigating of my own so i can ask the CSA to re asses the situation but what ever he earns my son will now only get half of what he used to get because the 'so called father' decided to produce another child in the 2 years he hasnt bothered with his first one. Not only do i have to deal with this although technically we dont need his money i have a good job and can provide for my son on my own but it's the principle and now my son has a sibling out there that he doesnt know anything about and i cant tell him because he is to young to understand plus i have no information to give except that it's a girl and she is about 1 years old. My son is always asking for a brother or sister yet that poor excuse for a human being couldnt respect my son enough to let him know.

 

Does anyone have any advice for me on what i can do about the payments im so angry!

 

Deyone

 

 

Posted on: March 25, 2010 - 8:55pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hello again deyone

I can hear how angry you are and exasperated with the system that seems to be on his "side".

Good idea to do a bit of digging around to see if he has told the CSA the truth. Even if he is still with the new child's mother it will affect the amount you receive as they would firstly knock off 15% from his wages in respect of the new child and you would get 15% of the remaining 85%, if you see what I mean. Or if he is not with her, they would take 20% from his income and divide it between you.

There is not a lot more you can do apart from find out about his circumstances and report it to them if you think he has hidden anything. I get a princely £40 a month for my son. He is 15 and you can imagine how far THAT goes when he eats more than an adult.

Posted on: March 25, 2010 - 9:47pm
sparklinglime
Online
DoppleMe

I've no advice here.  I'm just sorry that you're facing this and can understand you being angry.

I feel the same with The Git.

Sadly, there doesn't seem to be anything that can be done with a parent who chooses to be irresponsible and care-free.

 

Posted on: March 26, 2010 - 1:38pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

I know you have had some annoying experience of the CSA yourself, sparkling lime

Posted on: March 26, 2010 - 4:02pm
deyone

Hi Louise,

Thanks for ur words of wisdom but just to clarify if he is with his other childs mother he has to pay us more percentage than if he was not with her? or does she get more money because it's a new claim? I can understand that ur son eats you out of house and home my son only 4 and he eats like a teenager so imagine when he is one!!! I studied hard when i got pregnant and got myself a degree and have a good job that pays ok money so it's not like i need his money as such it's the principle that he gets to walk around care free producing all these children he cant take care off whilst us mothers have to pick up the financial and emotional pieces!!! and the british government seems to be helping them.

Posted on: March 26, 2010 - 5:30pm
Bubblegum
DoppleMe

I get £5 a week from the CSA for my two and she has since had another child that has been taken off her and put in care and I believe she is pregnant again. I still seem to be getting the five quid though, not that I really notice it... while she seems to be busily producing babies for the care system.

Posted on: March 26, 2010 - 6:50pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

It is a minefield!!!

Deyone, let us pretend he has a income of £200 a week. If he is still with the child's mother then 15% is disregarded first so the relevant income would become £170 and you would be entitled to 15% of that, I make that £25.50 a week.

If separated from the other Mum then he has his original £200 and then 20% is knocked off for the two children (yours and hers) so each of you would get £20 a week. So you are better off if he is still with her. Hope a practical example is more helpful. He can also claim a "variation" (ie a reduction!) if there are special circumstances like having to travel a long way to see either/both children

Posted on: March 26, 2010 - 9:30pm
deyone

Hi Louise,

I know it is a mindfield and im sorry to be a pain but i still dont really get it as 15% each if he is still with her is 30% from his wages where as if he is not with her only 20% comes from hios wages and i thought the parent with care got less if the father had the child over night for x amount of time. so for me he doesnt have any contact or over night so i would get full entitlement and if he was still with her it would be reduced as they are still together? basically they said his average net weekly income is £139.77. plus percentage of net weekly income over £100-percentage used (£39.77*35%) gives £13.92 add flat rate amount on the first £100 of net weekly income of £5 gives £18.92 rounded of to £19 gives me and her £9.50 each. As im sure they use all this percentage jargon and first £100 rubbish to confuse people why not just explain in simple terms!!!

Posted on: March 27, 2010 - 2:57am
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hello again

Ah I see, it is because he has a pretty low income. I am sure you will be delighted to know there is a safety net built in to help lower-income parents without care. In this case they are only allowed to take £5 out of the first £100 of wages and then they calculate a percentage of the income that is over £100. 

Here is an online calculator www.childmaintenanceoptions.org/en/calculator. With the figures you gave me it looks as if he is not with the other child's mother

The main issue here is whether his weekly income really IS as stated and if you can prove otherwise. Even if he is on minimum wage, he can only be working 25 hours a week...or is he self-employed and only declaring that much, do you think?

 

 

Posted on: March 27, 2010 - 8:24am
deyone

Louise you have been a great source of help and thank you very much for all your info on this. I worked it out via the how we calculate your child maintance booklet they sent me with the new 'ridiculous' payment schedule. I had it all the time i was just to upset to read it thoroughly as i originally said i dont believe his wages are so low as for 2 years he got the basic rate as his net wages were over £200 and i was the only child being claimed for so he paid 15% of his net wages and i got over £200 in CSA money a month. Now though he has told them his wages have been reduced and MIRACOUSLY there is another child being claimed for now at the same time therefore putting him on the reduced rate of what you said £5 flat rate for the first £100 then 20% for the bit over £100. He doesnt work for himself he's not that intelligent! He plays 'toy soliders' as i call it and does secruity work. If you saw him you'd laugh as no-one could be intimadated by his frame! and i know when i first put in the claim there was more than one job they calculated from so he either lost the main one (wouldnt surprise me) as he lost 4 jobs in 2 years previously due to his negative view on everything but my personal opinion is if he managed to hold down a job for the last 2 years which im surprised at, someone has ill advised him to tell CSA he's lost one making the reduction as if he still got paid what he did over last 2 years now there is another child to claim for he would be loosing out on a lot more money than the measly £80 he will be now!

 

I dont even care if he is with the new mother or not (but im guessing not) knowing very well what he is like. He has never wanted children but yet keeps producing them i just wanted to make sure that my son didnt loose out just because he couldnt be responsible again. Im not sure if i feel relieved that he is not with the new mother as although i dont care about him he still is the father of my child and if he could be there for the second child then that would hurt that he couldnt be there for my son seeing as my son thinks he is so great and remembers lots of things he did with him even though the last time he saw him he was 2 and coudnt even talk properly. Or angry that another poor child has the unfortunateness of having him as a father and once again he has abandoned them. There's people out there that would kill for children and cant have any yet this poor excuse for a human being gets to produce them will nilly and walk away from the responsibility. Where is the justice in that?

All i can do is carry on doing the best for my son like i have done from day one and will continue to do as thats what being a parent is someone should teach him and all the other absent parents that!

Posted on: March 27, 2010 - 10:36am
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

You're right, there is absolutely no justice in the system.

Thank heavens your son has you to be a strong and fab parent to him!

Posted on: March 27, 2010 - 12:09pm
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi deyone, nice to 'see' you back again, although I see that you are furious with the CSA and yor ex - understandably so.

It is a minefield and I am glad Louise knew her CSA stuff as it is all very confusing to me. I never claimed it myself, thought it would have been more trouble than it was worth.  It annoys me that the Benefits Agency don't persue him though, seeing as they are the ones who were covering for him.

It doesn't seem right that he can go off and have more children, but then pay less to the first one. Its crazy.

Posted on: April 1, 2010 - 10:18am