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Being recognised by having a job already

sally meadows

I am a single parent and was wondering if there is anyone out there that felt like I do in wanting to carrying on the job I am currently doing in raising my family , I have this week recieved a letter informing me that due to my youngest child reaching the age of 10years that I am now going to be put on job seekers allowance and I am so distressed that the important job of childrearing is no longer of any importance and the already pressure on the one parent is now going to have to be juggled with being the sole provider as well , being a parent is a job in my opinion and in most cases being a single parent is not a career choice most cases are victims of circumstances . I am sure if enough parents felt this way we could overturn this legistration ,maybe someone might know whether this is a case for the european human rights laws , surely there must be some value in parents staying at home to be with their children and the money paid for that an investment in society because my children have benefited from me being at home .

Posted on: September 28, 2009 - 5:17pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

I agree with you.

I was looking through the petitions website yesterday evening and can see no petition to support a lone-parent staying at home. Personally, I feel the media has a lot to answer here, and only by getting the media on the side of the parent - lone-parent or not - could the situation change.

People are happy to wag that finger our way, unfortunately.

Posted on: September 28, 2009 - 6:33pm
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi found this. Looking around now.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/british-single-parents-new-laws

Posted on: September 28, 2009 - 7:16pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Done.

I was on the petition site that Harissa had in one of her posts.

I added:

Decent, caring lone-parents who's children are their main concern are being classed as scroungers.
There are scroungers in every walk of life, yet due to media attention, lone-parents are being an easy target for the government to be 'seen' as doing something.
Focus on the fraudsters. Most lone-parents need to be praised for raising tomorrows tax-payers.

Doesn't seem to want to 'sign' though...

Posted on: September 28, 2009 - 8:14pm
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

That was really good Sparkling. Will have a look for the other site you mentioned.

Posted on: September 28, 2009 - 8:20pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Also, guys, there is a report out today that children of working parents are less healthy!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8278742.stm

Posted on: September 29, 2009 - 9:37am
harissa

This is the text of the petition Alison found:

"We The Undersigned refuse the British new laws regarding Single Parents and their Children, with forced work and forced childcare.
From October 2010, Children as young as 7 years old will have to go to childcare to adapt to their parent's newly imposed working times, even during their school holidays or if they become temporarily ill.
This means that any STRANGER will have to be hastily found and trusted for childcare if nearby family isn't ready-available. We anticipate that this "New-Deal" will create HOME-ALONE and DELINQUENCY situations.
Please propose laws with little more consideration for single Families, with more flexible options. We are not lazy we simply do care."

Unfortunately the paragraph about "any STRANGER will have to be hastily found and trusted for childcare" weakens it somewhat, in the light of the Ofsted clamping down on friends' reciprocal childcare arangement. The government, it seems, has already thought of that possibility but has not thought it through properly. Thank heavens for the huge outcry - currently at 12,932 signatures - which is already prompting a rethink!

Our local shops and post office were closed down recently with the interesting result that many strangers are now coming up to me and asking where the shops are! Usually a conversation results about the state of the local community and I have been heartened by comments from the older people in particular. Far from what the mass media would have us believe, ordinary folk DO understand and appreciate the work that lone parents do in bringing up our kids properly.

One disabled granny expressed outrage by the switch from income support to jobseekers because of its impact on her daughter (single parent, left a violent husband). The youngest child apparently has "issues" (sounded like some sort of autism) and freaks out if away from mum too long. The granny argued that the mum already had a full time job looking after him and they were all panicking about the new rules as the gran would have to end up as a carer. I also had the hint that she was fearful of being put in a home herself as she is only independent through her daughter acting as a safety net and being available to help her when needed.

Stay at home parents also make an excellent neighbourhood watch while the other folk on the street are at work!

Posted on: September 29, 2009 - 11:12am
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

From what I can see, anyone can set up a petition. A thought perhaps for a lone-parent group to compose one? Would Gingerbread back such a petition?

Louise and Anna - what are your view points on petitions relating to this? I feel it would need to be well publicised to get a large number of signatories and therefore the necessary attention.

A link for petitions.

http://www.number10.gov.uk/communicate/e-petitions

Posted on: September 29, 2009 - 11:45am
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi sparkling lime

I will ask and see what One Space's position on petitions is, Okay? ;)

Posted on: September 29, 2009 - 11:55am
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Louise wrote:
Hi sparkling lime

I will ask and see what One Space's position on petitions is, Okay? ;)

Thank you very much.

Posted on: September 29, 2009 - 12:24pm
sally meadows

my point also my children are growing up well rounded happy kids and are very distressed that i wont be at home full time - i also support the local community by volunteer work and i support some retired friends - with everyone out working who is going to support these valuable unpaid positions - and this country is wondering why there is a break down in communities

sparklinglime wrote:
Done.

I was on the petition site that Harissa had in one of her posts.

I added:

Decent, caring lone-parents who's children are their main concern are being classed as scroungers.
There are scroungers in every walk of life, yet due to media attention, lone-parents are being an easy target for the government to be 'seen' as doing something.
Focus on the fraudsters. Most lone-parents need to be praised for raising tomorrows tax-payers.

Doesn't seem to want to 'sign' though...

Posted on: September 29, 2009 - 2:40pm
sally meadows

would anyone be able to tell me that if I was to home tutor my children whether that would make a difference to my income support stopping? whether that would stop me going on job seekers and if that is the case maybe there is the loophole to enable single parents to set up support schooling groups?

Posted on: September 29, 2009 - 3:05pm
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi Sally
If I have read this correctly, it wouldn't matter if you home school, you still have to go onto JSA, and be seen to be looking for work. On the front of One Space page, if you click on benefit changes, to the right of the screen, it should tell you in there.
Hope you are having a good day
Take care
Alison
x :)

Posted on: September 29, 2009 - 4:11pm
Posted on: September 29, 2009 - 5:09pm
harissa

I'll ask my home-schooling friends who are in the same boat and report back. The problem we are finding is that our job centre advisers have been giving out contradictory and even wrong information.

Posted on: September 29, 2009 - 5:11pm
Sally C

Hi Sally – nice to meet you and thanks very much for your input!

Alison is right - if you decide to home educate your children you will not be allowed to stay on Income Support. There is an interesting organisation you might want to check out for more info if you’re considering home schooling:

http://www.freedomforchildrentogrow.org/welfarereform.htm#brief

Would be interesting to hear what your friends have to say about the changes Harissa...

Thanks,
Sally C :)

Posted on: September 30, 2009 - 12:13pm
jennyj

Hi everyone. have just found this thread and completely agree with you all. Its so sad that the government are constantly trying to get parents back to work. I remember when i was pregnant and constantly being given information leaflets and booklets on childcare! He wasnt even born yet and they wanted to take him away from me :shock: . When i made the decision not to go back to work after maternity i felt so guilty. I realise now that i shouldnt have been made to feel like that :x . My son is 2 so the changes dont effect me yet (unless they decide to lower the age again) but i can understand how you all feel. When you are the only parent there is so much to do anyway with no breaks how do you fit in a job and still have time with your child, do the all the housework, shopping etc. How do they expect us to raise our children single handedly if half the time we cant even be there?.

Posted on: November 6, 2009 - 10:00pm
Bubblegum
DoppleMe

Yeah you have to go out and work!

But in all reality... wot jobs? where? I was looking at the front pages of the papers a while ago and apparently all the immigrants have them, that and free TV's and houses and cars.

It's all bureaucracy and politicians making policies to garner votes that ends up in a situation that has absolutely no bearing on reality, resulting in lots of people playing some bizarre charade in order to keep their jobs (those at the job centre PLUS!), and we at the bottom of the ladder are left playing a sort of pantomime, where we sit down, talk to some people, play a game as if there are some loosely defined rules where we have to pretend we are doing certain thing, showing willing, or else they will stop our benefits, they know you know, you just have to sit there all humble and meek, play a bit dumb, act all interested when they swing their monitor round and show you some inane job or other, just let them go off and print out a few A4 sheets of info and give it to you and they will be happy and send you on your way with your reimbursed bus fair....

Basically you must show willing to work and this showing wiling to work is some list of things that has been put together by a group of people who have probably never been unemployed in their life times, let alone been a single parent.

It's all bull!

Just play their game.

Posted on: November 6, 2009 - 11:27pm
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi bubblegum

Quote:
But in all reality... wot jobs? where? I was looking at the front pages of the papers a while ago and apparently all the immigrants have them, that and free TV's and houses and cars.

The media is often so biased against minority groups. We as single parents know of this with our own bad press, which tends to further society's negative viewpoint of us.

It is unfair of the media to stipulate that any minority group gets more than others, when we need to remember most minority groups are often in the greatest of need.

We don't need to be fighting against each other, but finding solutions together and getting heard!

Posted on: November 11, 2009 - 5:15pm
Bubblegum
DoppleMe

Anna wrote:
Hi bubblegum

Quote:
But in all reality... wot jobs? where? I was looking at the front pages of the papers a while ago and apparently all the immigrants have them, that and free TV's and houses and cars.

The media is often so biased against minority groups. We as single parents know of this with our own bad press, which tends to further society's negative viewpoint of us.

It is unfair of the media to stipulate that any minority group gets more than others, when we need to remember most minority groups are often in the greatest of need.

We don't need to be fighting against each other, but finding solutions together and getting heard!

It's very difficult to win against the ignorance that is perpetuated by mainstream media... and unfortunately the views expressed from day to day in papers and on TV are swallowed up by the large majority of people unquestioned. People in power are always using people like immigrants, people on invalidity, people on housing benefit, kids in the streets, all those sort of things, things that they can get people to get worried and scared about and then promise to save them from it all, terrorists are another one they want to save us from.

And on the subject of immigrants, it's the migration of people that makes for interesting mixes of culture and interesting people, stopping the stagnation of culture, and if it wasn't for the migration of people I wouldn't have my two children.

:)

Posted on: November 11, 2009 - 8:11pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

I had quite a debate on one forum as someone claimed that those on income support also had their utility bills and TV licence paid.

By the end of the debate she had a better appreciation of how tough being on benefits can be :D

I'm also curious, and know this is the wrong place to put it really, but as the inflation rate was negative at a certain point this year, will income support rates be reduced?

Posted on: November 11, 2009 - 9:40pm
Bubblegum
DoppleMe

sparklinglime wrote:
I'm also curious, and know this is the wrong place to put it really, but as the inflation rate was negative at a certain point this year, will income support rates be reduced?

HI,

I don't know how they calculate it, but even if it was negative for a period, I'm sure the over all yearly trend would be in the positive.. but I don't know.... just guessing : )

Posted on: November 12, 2009 - 8:54am
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

it would be very unfair if it was! The main thing that has gone down is the cost of mortgages due to low interest rates, I don't think that will affect many people on income support. The rail fares in our local train company are linked to inflation; I don't see them going down, they have gone up! :x

Posted on: November 12, 2009 - 9:32am
Sally C

I agree Anna and Bubblegum - I think everyone needs to have a critical eye when reading the media. So many minority groups are scapegoated and it just perpetuates old stereotypes which is so unhelpful and prejudiced.

And yes jennyj - I think that a lot of parents these days are 'damned if they do and damned if they don't'... If you go to work when your children are young you're blamed for creating broken families giving rise to 'hoodies' and problematic youth - i.e. stay at home and be a real parent!! - but if you don't go out and have a paid job, you are seen as a benefit scrounger who's a bad role model to children - i.e. don't stay at home and go out and get a 'real job'!. Such mixed messages - which again leads to the type of stereoypes and prejudice that Bubblegum and Anna were describing.

Why is there such a culture of blame? :shock:

Sally C

Posted on: November 12, 2009 - 11:32am
Bubblegum
DoppleMe

Our culture of blame.

Posted on: November 12, 2009 - 1:33pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Thanks Bubblegum :lol:

Posted on: November 12, 2009 - 1:43pm