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anti depressants

sadsy

Erm,
not sure about this as a short thread. Just to share my short experience of these.

I'm on day 5 of 20mg a night of these. I was lucky my counsellor mentioned how i might feel when first started taking them.

On day 2 after 30 mins I got beating heart, tingly hands, my nose became tight and my vision bit blurrier (i'm short sighted anyway). Also my balance was affected. Effect lasted 1hr ish.

Day 5 now and the effects are much, much less now, I wish my doctor had mentioned these odd things when she prescribed.

What happens at 2 weeks when they are supposed to suddenly start working? What changes?
Does anyone have 1st hand experience?

How long are people on them for and what happens when you come off?

Oddly, I'm looking forward to my sleeping tablet tonight, despite them getting stuck in my throat alot.
I heard they can be addictive.

(Moderators, please delete this thread if it is unsound).

sy

Posted on: June 12, 2009 - 9:35pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

I can't help you with this one, but just want to say I'm glad your starting to feel better. I've heard nothing but good things about anti-depressants once they kick in.

Posted on: June 13, 2009 - 12:25am
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hello sy

I can only tell you about my own experience. When my marriage broke up (11 years ago) I felt utter panic and felt unable to speak for much of the time, also unable to sleep, despite the fact that I had ended the relationship. I was given anti d's and the main side effects for me were that I felt not quite " all there" and that my mouth was very dry. I was told, like you, that they would take a couple of weeks to kick in but personally I found that it only took a week. I can't speak of a physical difference but it was one morning I woke up and thought "It will be a long haul but I think I am going to be able to get through this, no matter what it takes".

However, pills have changed a lot in the last 11 years!

I know there are some concerns about whether things are addictive and whilst of course your doctor will know all the facts, I think sleeping pills tend to be given only short term for this reason. Some anti d's help you to sleep as well. I know when I felt "better", I came off them gradually.

Posted on: June 13, 2009 - 8:11am
sadsy

hi louise,
i wondered about the dry mouth thing, no matter how much water i drink, my mouth is dry.

Doctor said only the sleeping pills are addictive, there are very few in the box, i guess to reduce suicide risk – memories of my dad's overdose coming back now : ( .

sy

Posted on: June 13, 2009 - 4:39pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Not good :cry: You need to concentrate on YOU right now.

Yes, the dry mouth will be that. The one good thing I found was that I didn't have to get up in the night to go to the loo :oops: Ice lollies can ease it if it gets unbearable (those ice pops are cheap)

Posted on: June 13, 2009 - 7:28pm
sadsy

Hello,
spoke with counsellor last night. He said that other effect he's seen with anti depressants is loss of libido and er.. well ejaculatory problems. Sometimes in the long-term it has caused more problems that way than helping with the depression bit.

Not sure if this is just for guys, oh goodness. bet no one replies to this...

Overall, he's a fan of them and says people heal through therapy twice as fast as those without antidepressants.

Feel rather embarrassed talking about these things, but may help someone sometime.

sy

Posted on: June 17, 2009 - 2:56pm
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Thank you sadsy for that useful piece of information :!:

It is something that needs to be weighed up I guess. Although I imagine that is the last thing on your mind right now, however it is important to be aware of for the future.

I think it is great that you are getting counselling, I remember quite a long time ago, antidepressants were ONLY going to be handed out if the patient attending counselling, but that doesn't seem to be the case these days. I know far too many people taking them and then hoping that all their problems go away.

It is only a supportive mechanism to help you get through and deal with difficult times, rather than to be blank until life gets better again. So good for you for taking the bull by the horns :)

Posted on: June 17, 2009 - 3:30pm
sadsy

thank you anna,
can't believe i posted the libido thing, what was i thinking?

embarrassed

sy

Posted on: June 17, 2009 - 6:39pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Acutally sy I remember that happening to a couple of friends who were on Prozac but with both of them it was fine as soon as they came off the medication. Right now, you have to think about the next few weeks and don't be embarrassed; you're amongst friends here ;)

Posted on: June 18, 2009 - 10:10am
sadsy

thank you louise, you are lovely.

sy

Posted on: June 18, 2009 - 12:26pm
sadsy

OK - 2 weeks on these at 20mg per day.
Don't seem to be able to cry - except when emotional pain extreme. Not sure if i just cried myself out though.

Doctor doubled dosage today to 40mg per day - so I'll report if anything odd happen.
In case anyone has similar route.

Doctor more worried about regular use of sleeping tablets I think.

Fingers tingly +1 hr. Like when I first started 2 weeks ago.
Feel a bit odd, very slightly dizzy. feel stillness. ears whistling bit.

Posted on: June 22, 2009 - 7:33pm
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hey sadsy, did you get a good nights sleep?

Posted on: June 23, 2009 - 10:30am
sadsy

hi,
yes i waited for hour or so then took sleeping tablet.

i wake from cold in morning at 5 ish,
I can use the duvet now i guess. Silly me.

she not coming back.

sy

Posted on: June 23, 2009 - 2:51pm
sadsy

oh yes,
another embarrassing thing. As was mentioned by Louise at beginning of this, I too no longer need trip to loo in night.
Anti-D's do affect frequency of weeing definitely.

Charmed i'm sure. Not as embarrassing as the libido thing tho.

sy

Posted on: June 23, 2009 - 6:12pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Well, y'know, sometimes it helps to compare symptoms ;) I think women do this more than blokes, especially in the hospital ward after having a baby, when it seems that anything goes! :o

I think that's a good thing, not needing to traipse to the loo!

Posted on: June 23, 2009 - 9:00pm
sadsy

hmmm,
my hands seem to be shaking this morning.

Noticed yesterday with visit to arwen 4.5 (not seen for 2 weeks) that pain can get through antidepressants. It can shock when it does. Think shaking due to yesterday, and only having banana for dinner?

sy

Posted on: June 29, 2009 - 8:08am
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Yes, you have to eat, if you can manage to, although all the stress is going to take its toll, too. I know it must feel frightening but actually, y'know, it is a NORMAL response to what you have been through and are going through.

Posted on: June 29, 2009 - 10:37am
pheonixrising

Hi sadsy - what sort of AD's are you taking?

As the girls have said, dry mouth in the most common side effect -
mints or chewing gum are good,
but I always have a bottle of water in my bag for those
'mouth like the sahara' monents.

Am a big advocate of AD's, used in the correct manner -
they treat what is an illness just as much as anything physical,
especially as the big D often creeps up when we are at our lowest,
it's that prob that helps us keep going,
and enables us to work through what we are feeling instead of being sucked down by it.

The sex thing - is also a very common problem.
I myself find I have a lower sex drive (which is handy being single LOL),
and it takes also longer to come to frution,
though I am still able to.
This is of course speaking as a girl.

Hope you get over this bump in the road - onwards and upwards xXx

Posted on: June 29, 2009 - 8:04pm
sadsy

hello anna and pheonixrising,
thank you for posting.

i'm on CITALOPRAM. 40mg now.

I do think they have helped. i don't feel too weird at all now. And mostly don't get overwhelmed by small things.

Bottle of water - yes i do that too, always have one i refill at tap.

Well yes, on the fruition thing too, does take me quite some time ( i give up often now) and lower sex drive handy for being single i guess. (am i really talking about this?) hehe. The sex with ex partner i don't miss (it was horrible anyway, i dreaded it), but i do long for someone who cares for me to snuggle up with. Giant teddies to cuddle are just not right for me. I think it is just for ladies?

The weeing thing too - i hardly go at all now. It's a mystery where all the liquid goes to? :roll:

hug

sy

Posted on: June 29, 2009 - 8:57pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Yes, I always wondered where the liquid went, seeing as I never went to the loo. I wonder if the kidney function is supressed or something?

I understand what you mean about teddies. I found putting my arm round a pillow when trying to sleep, as if it was another person next to me, was helpful.

Posted on: July 1, 2009 - 10:54am
sadsy

Oh wow Louise,
I do that hugging pillow thing too!

I'm so relieved.

sy

Posted on: July 1, 2009 - 5:04pm
sadsy

oh yes, my blood test came back with below average kidney function - doctor say not too severe and not to worry, do another blood test in 2 months was what she say.

sy

Posted on: July 1, 2009 - 5:33pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

it might be that the anti ds have affected them, glad they are keeping an eye on you.....

Posted on: July 1, 2009 - 8:16pm
sadsy

nope - don't seem to be able to do without sleeping pills.

how annoying.

off to find that bitter pill.

sy

Posted on: July 2, 2009 - 1:27am
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

As Anna say, dont be too quick to do without them, will take a while to get used to everything being so different, Sy

Posted on: July 2, 2009 - 9:50am
sadsy

Doctor told me today that anti D's can have the effect of suppressing appetite.

So I have to force myself to eat.

sy

Posted on: July 6, 2009 - 12:21pm
sadsy

Got caught without medication and missed 40mg tablet last night.

NHS direct say should not get mood swing, but I am surely in hellish place today!
They say, just physical symptoms may get, shaking, anxiety, sweating etc.
Seem to have woken with a stutter.

Anyone listening, take your medication with you!

sy

Posted on: July 11, 2009 - 4:47pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

That sounds really scary for you. I presume you can take your normal dose today? Hope things soon level out

Posted on: July 11, 2009 - 8:26pm
sadsy

Having missed a tablet when car broke down.
Not sure if I done the right thing to get back into schedule for anti-Ds, took half a tablet - 20mg about midday. The nhs guy said take earlier, but I could not get lift home till then. At 7.30 I took 40mg tablet as normal. I think he say later in evening. Oh well.

So I'm back to tingly hands, with the slight increase in dosage?

Mum says I was horrible earlier today. She think it was lack of meds, but I think it's just the real me. She not know me as well as she did and I in pain.

Someone on internet discuss what time of day tablet should be taken, they argue morning is best, as effect tail-off through day. If taken at night, most effect happen while you are sleeping, which is waste?

I'm wide awake, even though yawning.

try sleep again.

Posted on: July 11, 2009 - 11:06pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

It seems to vary for different types and your doctor is the best guide for when to take it.

When I was taking anti d's, the doctor told me to take it at night as one of the purposes was to help me sleep. As it didn't have the desired effect, I ended up taking it earlier in the evening to get the benefit. However, my friend had another type entirely prescribed and they were to be taken first thing in the morning.

It probably unnerved your Mum seeing you like that and it is easier for her to blame the meds than to witness the depth of your pain.

Take it steady, I dio hop you got some sleep, at least

Posted on: July 12, 2009 - 7:23am
sadsy

Thank you Louise,
can't seem to get out of bed on floor.
I'm avoiding something.

Didn't get any guidance to time of day from my doctor.
Just says daily. I get the impression that doctors think that because it takes 2 weeks to work, that it takes 2 weeks to not work.

My counsellor was very stern when he said to not miss one, and he seems to know anti-Ds very well.

sy

Posted on: July 12, 2009 - 10:29am
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Well I am not a medic but I remember when I stopped taking mine they said don't just stop, take half a tablet every day then every other day etc, so it sounds as if they wanted me to come off gradually so maybe missing one affected you more than you realised.

Posted on: July 12, 2009 - 4:44pm
sadsy

or... maybe, really I'm just horrible!

Can't imagine coming off them at the moment. Have talked with my mum about her considering asking doctor about them for her. She having not so good a day. No visitors for her today. I speak with her every 2 hours today. Not gone round in case she speak with me about Louise' call and I get cross again.

Thank you Louise,

love

sy

Posted on: July 12, 2009 - 5:40pm
Pansy

Hi Sy,
we have had a bit of experience with anti dep in our house what with my husbands depression & my eldest daughters anxiety issues, & then me needing them too, in order to cope with all the rest of family!! It's a joke. I had come off them about a month ago & then this happens. I think I may need to go back on them to help me through.

Anyway, there are differnt types, some to give instant effects if you miss one, others dont, some you can have a drink with, others you cant or it knocks away their effect, some need to be taken in morning, some must be taken at night.
And most importantly, some do not work well with some people & some do. Also some have the effect where they make you worst, although I think this is rare.

I still have a 10mg Amitriptyline at night which as a anti depressent is not a high enough dose apparently, but it just so happens to make you very sleepy! they are not addictive at all & are a safe way of helping you off to sleep. Thought I would mention it, you may want to ask your doctor about it, better than taking sleeping tablets that can be addictive.

Hope they kick in soon & your sleep improves! No one can be a saint when they are depprived of sleep! so don't be to hard on yourself.
Paula

Posted on: July 12, 2009 - 11:14pm
sadsy

Hey there Paulasgems,
you are so amazing with your sense of humour when you are having such a painful time. It will really see you through.

I'm on Citalopram 40mg. I think they have helped me quite a bit. I don't get sleepy with them at all. I'm on my 4th night without sleeping tablets, though I wake quite a few times in night (like now).

I've been sternly warned about alcohol with these anti'Ds.

My counsellor said people heal in half the time when they are on anti'Ds. He was worried that my dosage was doubled few weeks back. He thought I was quite responsive to them as I had temporary side effects straight away.

I don't feel depressed at all, so they must be working?

Big huuug for you

sy

Posted on: July 13, 2009 - 2:19am
Pansy

Good! I'm glad they are working for you. But dont forget you must get enough sleep! If sleep does continue to be a problem you could always ask dr about the ones I mentioned, as they can be taken with most other anti dep. My husband took them as well as his anti dep. And they were given to him to help him off to sleep. ha! bet hes not sleeping so well now with all that guilt!

Posted on: July 13, 2009 - 10:30am
sadsy

Thank you Paulasgems,
I'm off to doctor on Friday, I'll ask then.

I have to say, I have wished misery on my ex partner, unfortunately, she is in love and is painfully happy, with all the blinkered clumsiness and selfishness that goes with it. She never expressed any compassion or remorse to me. If fact, she seems irritated that I still exist.

Quote:
ha! bet hes not sleeping so well now with all that guilt!

I love your sense of humour, in what must be a dark time for you. It's OK to have a down day too, I hope you can post if you have a low time.

Will try a sleeping tablet tonight, as I yawning and wooly headed today.

huug for you.

sy

Posted on: July 13, 2009 - 5:21pm
Pansy

hope you sleep well tonight Sy! goodluck at Dr's tomorrow .

Posted on: July 13, 2009 - 11:28pm
sadsy

Thank you Paulasgems.

Hug

sy

Posted on: July 14, 2009 - 7:23pm
skippy

I have been on them for about 9 months and I see them as a cushion that you need to support you through very traumatic times.

Posted on: July 19, 2009 - 9:20am
sadsy

Hi skippy,
have you had any side effects that you live with?

sy

Posted on: July 19, 2009 - 8:47pm
skippy

Hi there
I had side effects for the first few weeks, mainly headaches but i also felt slightly more teary and down than usual. After a couple of weeks I really noticed a difference I felt I could cope with the aggro I have had to endure. The only ongoing side effect i still have is some bizziare dreams. Hope that is of some help.

Posted on: July 20, 2009 - 12:55pm
sadsy

Thank you skippy,
I am glad they are helping you cope.

Hope the dreams are nice ones.

sy

Posted on: July 20, 2009 - 1:28pm
skippy

It is for girls too, I have had problems in this area too.

sadsy wrote:
Hello,
spoke with counsellor last night. He said that other effect he's seen with anti depressants is loss of libido and er.. well ejaculatory problems. Sometimes in the long-term it has caused more problems that way than helping with the depression bit.

Not sure if this is just for guys, oh goodness. bet no one replies to this...

Overall, he's a fan of them and says people heal through therapy twice as fast as those without antidepressants.

Feel rather embarrassed talking about these things, but may help someone sometime.

sy

Posted on: July 25, 2009 - 10:39am
sadsy

Thank you skippy,
I was so embarrassed posting that!

I don't feel so alone now you've mentioned it too. Phew.

Big huug for you

sy

Posted on: July 25, 2009 - 11:17am
vickstick34

Hi Sy, I have been on the same stuff as u, same dose, for a year. They work sssooooo well! They are used for treating anxiety, and they certainly work there as well, sometimes a little too well. I have no anxiety at all now, its the best feeling EVER!

Seriously, though, drs like u to be on Anti-d's for at least 6 months so that you can get the proper effect, then you come off of them gradually as it can be a shock to the system to get rid of them all at once. I recommend sticking with them for that long if not longer. They have done me the world of good.

Posted on: July 25, 2009 - 11:21am
sadsy

hello Vicki,
I have to say that I really don't want to come off them ever! I always suffered from anxiety since childhood (dad left us + I fought with stepfather) and my anxiety is really reduced now. Even though I have loads more to be anxious about now.

Counsellor say change in thinking is down to me, change in feeling is down to anti'ds (I think that's what he said). Anti'ds not help my memory obviously, hehe.

I'm curious when you say

Quote:
They are used for treating anxiety, and they certainly work there as well, sometimes a little too well.

[my emphasis]

Is it something you feel able to share?

huug for you

sy

Posted on: July 25, 2009 - 11:40am
vickstick34

When I say a little too well, its just that I dont get anxious at all about anything now. I guess its not a bad thing but I dont worry about things like I used to. Things like bills and financial stuff dont bug me so much any more. The bad thing is that my emotions dont come to the front anymore, so when I do feel like I want to have a good cry (which is good to do from time to time) I actually can't. Sounds silly but I miss that sometimes. Makes me seem like a hard B aswell. But I wouldnt come off the tablets as I know that I feel better like this than when it was the other way and I was crying all the time.

I hope that makes sense.

Another little funny story I'll share with you. A colleague of mine was put on citalopram when her relationship broke down. She was shopping in town and went into a rather famous high street store (advertised by Twiggy). Whilst in the undies dept, she suddenly and very against her true nature decided to put a bra and knickers in her bag and walked out!! She felt absolutely no guilt whatsoever! When she relayed this to her therapist at the next visit, the therapist was not surprised and told her that in some cases the anti-d was known to suppress emotions eg. guilt!!!

note i say "in some cases". This does not mean that everyone on citalopram will turn into a regular shoplifter!

Posted on: July 25, 2009 - 5:57pm
sadsy

Phew,
I absolutely agree Vickie.

I still feel stuff though, Friday, an older lady called me "wierdo" in M&S behind my back and I was quite hurt. But I was wondering if I was wandering around smiling or some such thing. Don't think I am? It was just a bit of an unexpected thing to happen.

I can still cry, and it is really shocking when it hits, really overwhelming. Mostly I'm quite relieved to be still breathing and walking around. I love it like this though. I can see the beauty in people more easily now too.

At beginning I cried for 6 days, I was so exhausted. Just a fragile shell, face all crumpled like an old boxer dog. Ex used to step over me, sigh.

Better this way for sure.

The undies story is very funny, glad she did not get caught!

Big huug for you

sy

Posted on: July 25, 2009 - 6:18pm
Alex

Hi
Am new to this forum. Divorced since August 5th 09- legally - but separated for 2 years.
Ex has moved to Australia where he lives with his first cousin and her 3 children from her current/soon to be over marriage.
I have 2 wonderful children under 10 who live with me in London. Oh he pays no maintenance so its pretty stressful but my question is rthia to everyone. I find myself getting more and more sad/anxious/teary/less confident. I don't want to go for antidepressants if I can help it so what about St Johns Wort? Also, does it get better over time (its been 2 years already and so far it seems worse?) :cry:
Any advice or tips for coping would be gratefully received.
Thank you.

Posted on: August 16, 2009 - 10:04pm
Pansy

Alex I would go to Dr & have anti dep! honestly st johns wort is NOT what it is cracked up to be & is really only helpful to people who suffer from SAD, which is not getting enough sunlight.

If you have felt like this for so long it sounds like you really do need them. personally I think they are very helpful to alot of people & I think if you gave a go you wouldn't regret it. I know many people they have helped alot!

they are not addictive like some people think & there are many differnt kinds. I would at least speak to your Dr & maybe ask for counsilling too!

It is nice to meet you Alex, people are really friendly on here so keep posting.
Pansy

Posted on: August 16, 2009 - 10:20pm