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Janine74

Hi Everyone

I am new to the site and I am hoping some one out there can give me advice. I am 35 and have a 2 year old son. I split with my ex partner when I was pregnant and luckily still had my own house to move back into. I wont go into too much detail about the split but all I can say is you never know anyone one until you have lived with them.
Our son was born and and his dad saw him for about a month, he did contribute financially but then he would send me emails saying I am only going to give you £10 this month as I am going to have our son 2 nights a week. My ex knew I wanted to take as much time off work with our baby and knew I could not do this without his support so I ended up having to go to the CSA. For the next 3 months my ex had no contact with our son, this was his decision not mine, as I wanted our son to know his dad. When our son was 3 months old I was taken to court as my ex wanted 2 nights a week contact which I would not agree too. We were referred to cafcass and eventually my ex would come to my home and bath our son and put him to bed and gradually started to take him out on a saturday. My ex then met a new partner and the contact stopped again, again this was not my desision it was his. After a few months I again had another letter to say I was back in court and again was referred to cafcass. We tried again and for a good 12 months he started to have our son every saturday day and overnight contact once a month with a hope of this increasing as time went on. So as of two weeks ago contact was every saturday and an over night stay every 2 weeks. His new girlfriend is due a baby in December and last week he told me that he had to cut contact as his new family was more important but he could now only see our son once every 2 weeks. I was so hurt for our son as when his dad comes to pick him up he is so excited. I could understand this change of contact if he lived miles away but he lives 2 miles down the road. If I was thinking selfishly then i have to say I was pleased about it but when I look at how much our son loves his dad it hurt like hell when he said he would need to put his new family first.
I sat with my ex and explained that once every two weeks was not enough contact and our sons baby brother or sister was born he should be part of it. I told him the amount of contact he was requesting was not acceptable and told him to go home and think about the following. "If our son could understand what he had said and could talk back, did he think he would be happy or very sad about it" He came back to me with thats all I can offer, he said that I was the resident parent and he pays me the money to look after our son.
I would love some advice from other mums and dads out there, my son is not talking at the moment and cant tell me how he feels. I feel there seems to be alot of resentment from his new girlfriend regarding my son and myself and the money my ex pays me. If it was about the money and he came and spoke to me about it I am sure we could sort something out but he will not discuss anything.
How do I take this forward, do I go along with the every 2 weeks? I dont want to but want to do right by my son. I have been taken to court twice and have paid out 3.5k (was not entitled to legal aid) and now this.
I have found out this evening that CSA have done a review and my money increases. I have thought from the start that the reasons my ex was taking me to court was due to the money and to hurt me and not for the love of his son. I would give up all the money for my son to have a relationship with his dad.
Where do I go from here?

Please help

Posted on: September 7, 2009 - 10:50pm
Pansy

Hi Janine74,
really sorry to hear about your situation. I have heard this story lots of times on here but have no experience of it myself.
At the end of the day you won't be able to change who your ex is. It is very sad I know. I'm not sure there is anything you can do apart from what you have already done.

I am not the best person for this, but there are many othes on here that will have good advice for you, that have been through the same as you. They will be on today.
goodluck
Pansy

Posted on: September 8, 2009 - 8:48am
sparklinglime
Online
DoppleMe

Hi

Isn't it strange that he feels that the baby with his girlfriend will be his "new" family? That is so very sad for your son.

You can't make him see more of your son, I'm afraid. While he can take you to Court, as he's the non-resident parent, you cannot take him to Court.

As for him paying you to look after his son?!!!!!!!! :roll:

I can only guess that it is pressure from the girlfriend, as she is pregnant, yet that is no excuse. She's met him knowing he has a son.

As hard as it is, I'm afraid all you can do is find ways of dealing with it. As the 'new' baby gets older, it could be that the situation will change again.

As for the money he pays, that's something he needs to accept.

Loads of hugs. You sound such a fantastic mum.

Posted on: September 8, 2009 - 9:25am
sadsy

Hello Janine74,
big hug for you.

When we separate, people have different ways of coping with the loss of the relationship. Some look for amicable and compassionate ending and others hide in hate. Or all different emotions every day of the week. I hope it does settle down for you, so there is a more predictable contact with your ex.

Court and solicitors tends to be a downward spiral in relations.

Hope you are getting through today. Is sunny here!

Hug for you Janine.

sy

Posted on: September 8, 2009 - 9:37am
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi Janine74
Welcome. :)
I haven't been in your situation, but I can sympathise. It makes my blood boil the father is going to put his 'new family' first. It is so very sad for your little boy, and hopefully once the new baby arrives, the father will involve his 1st child as much as possible. After all, your son will be related.
Take care
Alison
x :)

Posted on: September 8, 2009 - 11:10am
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi Janine74

Welcome to One Space and thanks for sharing your story. You really have been dragged through the mill, backwards and forwards to Court and your son is only 2 years old. :?

It sounds as if you have been accommodating and willing for your ex to have contact with his son. How hurtful that he has now turned around and wants to lessen their time together.

Fortnightly contact is the norm for non resident fathers to have access. As sparklinglime says, you can't control what relationship your ex has with your child unfortunately.

We have to be the one consistency in our childrens lives and once we accept that, our child will see that too and hopefully he will enjoy the time he spends with other members of his family, but know that home is where his heart is.

Please remember that your ex does not pay you to look after his son, he is paying for his childs upkeep. I am sure that you recognise this, but sometimes we can fall into believing what other people say.

When your son went for overnight contact, did he stay with your ex and his new girlfriend? Or does your ex have a place of his own?

Posted on: September 8, 2009 - 11:15am
Janine74

Hi Everyone,

Thankyou very much for your replies, much appreciated.

Anna, in answer to your question then yes my ex partner also has his own house which his new girlfriend moved into last year but I cant honestly say what her relationship is with our son as I never see them together. I suppose i am frustrated as in March this year it was agreed by cafcass and court that 2 weeks was along time to go for our son not to see his Dad. I am also a little worried about how Ben is treated if there is a little resentment from his new partner although I have to say when our son comes home he is normally in good spirits.. Its so hard at the moment as our son will not speak so I can only go by his actions.

Again thanks to everyone

Posted on: September 8, 2009 - 11:44am
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi Janine74

If Cafcass were saying that 2 weeks were a long time for your son not to see his father it was probably because he was pushing the issue. Unfortunately in so many similar circumstances ex partners go through the Courts for access and push different issues to gain more control of the situation and sometimes simply to hurt the other parent.

Unfortunately you can't force him to see his child and the Courts won't insist on it either. It seems so unfair, but there is little you can do. I wonder if you wanted to talk to someone about it further you could contact The Children's Legal Centre on 08088 020 008.

They also have FAQ over contact issues: http://www.childrenslegalcentre.com/Legal+Advice/Child+law/contact/

As you say, your son comes home in good spirits after a visit, so you know that he is pretty happy there. It is a shame that the arrangements have to be changed as it could be very exciting for him and could help them all bond together all the more.

I wonder if you have considered writing a letter congratulating them on the imminent arrival of their baby and state your concerns there, in a friendly way. I don't know how you feel about the new girlfriend, but some families are able to maintain a good relationship because of the children and it could be turned into a positive?

Posted on: September 8, 2009 - 12:40pm
micky

Hi ,
I can say that I am in a similar situation.The only difference it would be that I tried to get as less as possible contact of my daughter with her dad
He proved he was uncapable to look after her properly and I stopped the contact good months ago. Now he is requesting contact through the Court and it will be appointed a CAFFCASS.I try to delay the contact thinking that she will be bigger and she will be able to tell me what happens when she is with him, who she is left with ...I don't trust him a bit...he is a malefic person...and it hurts like hell the thought that she has to have contact with him.I do fear that she will be very attached to him and then he will dump her when he will feel like or when he will find somebody else to' play' with...It is extremely difficult...and my heart is with you.
You have a lovely son....you do what you can to protect him ..he will understand when he will be bigger.I am afraid that you will not be able to stop the whole contact if it is decided by the Court....the same as me you just 'close your eyes' , try to be positive for your son's sake and move on with your life.It is very true when it is said that children are very adaptable...you take him out to a playground or somewhere nice and hopefuly he will forget about his dad for those moments.I always said that I will not try to stop my daughter knowing her dad ....in this way , at some point she will see his real face and I hope she will decide herself what way to go.It is difficult now when we have to take decisions for them...Regarding the maintenance...that is for your child , he doesn't pay YOU to rise his child , those money are for his food and clothes and activities ,things that he is uncapable to provide otherwise.A child is not an object, he is a human being which needs food,clothes and activities to develop properly....and surely not at last , a child needs stability and affection but your ex seems to be uncapable of that anyway....do you think he will be able to be different with his actual girlfriend???Somewhere on the line he will behave the same, I can assure you of that...why would you begg him for anything???Leave things to be...You just be there when your childs needs you, be strong for him...and ,in time ,things will get better.For me and my little one everything just starts....and sometimes I feel I am loosing my mind...but then I know that I have to do all my best to protect her....she is my life.... I have my fears , as well...but I know that I will have to accept things and move on with my life ...this will be the best victory over him....to see me and my daughter happy and living a balanced life...life which he was uncapable to provide.Write again...maybe we can help each other.

I

Posted on: September 10, 2009 - 5:49pm
hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Hi Micky

...this will be the best victory over him....to see me and my daughter happy and living a balanced life...life which he was uncapable to provide.Write again...maybe we can help each other.

This is so true.
My son's father (sperm doner) told me the first time he saw my son (at the age of 5) that I had done a good job, and I should be very proud!!!
Hope you ok
Take care
Alison
x :)

Posted on: September 10, 2009 - 7:26pm
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi all, Micky you speak wise words! I just wanted to share with you, I went through this about 8 years ago, very similar to what you are saying, constantly being taken back to court, my girl doted on her dad, but as she got older an he broke contact again and again, he dug his own pit.

My friends said he would, but all I wanted was for her to have a smashing daddy and ignored all the negative stuff. Now she very rarely speaks of him, she knows where he lives and knows she can visit his family whenever she wants, she's just not interested. I am soo proud of her, she only has time for people who have given her the time, whether it be school friends, my friends, my extended family members etc. She is not bitter, but she does recognise who is being true and who is trying to lead her up the garden path, who thinks she's really great and who is just using her while they are visiting - very interesting....so the relationship with her dad definitely taught her something!!

I am confident that parents that play these games will lose in the end, children are not stupid and they soon learn which side their bread's buttered on.

Posted on: September 11, 2009 - 9:06am
Bubblegum
DoppleMe

Anna wrote:
I am confident that parents that play these games will lose in the end, children are not stupid and they soon learn which side their bread's buttered on.

From my experience growing up this is true I had more respect for the parent who didn't play games, my dad, he didn't lie and let me down (much :)) or ask me to lie either.

Posted on: September 11, 2009 - 10:01am
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

It's certainly true that children will eventually see a parent's real colours, and it breaks my heart to think of all the let-down children who will have to confront this. This makes it even more important that we (as the OTHER parents) are consistent, reliable and loving :)

Janine74, I agree with Anna that you could write your son's father a letter. You could stress in it that you hope that he will continue to have a good relationship with his son and that his son will be given the opportunity to get to know his half-sibling.Keep a copy and this will also be good evidence if another court case rears its ugly head. Sadly, sometimes these court actions are taken because parent A wants to hurt parent B, not because parent A really wants a good relationship with their child, otherwise why "win" the case and then let the child down?

Micky thanks for your input, what you have said is very true :)

Posted on: September 11, 2009 - 11:28am
sparklinglime
Online
DoppleMe

Bubblegum wrote:
Anna wrote:
I am confident that parents that play these games will lose in the end, children are not stupid and they soon learn which side their bread's buttered on.

From my experience growing up this is true I had more respect for the parent who didn't play games, my dad, he didn't lie and let me down (much :)) or ask me to lie either.

The Git will get the children to lie. It went on when we were married (which was the bit that pushed me into divorce) and he still does. If there' s stuff going now, they'll come home and go straight to bed...

Another thing I don't understand when it comes to their father...

Posted on: September 11, 2009 - 1:01pm

Janine74

I again would like to thank everyone for you support and advice.

Anna, you are so right when you mentioned the control. If my ex came and sat down with me and talked things through maybe we could possibly reach a comprimise but he just demands and for me this is the problem. When our son was 3 months old he "demanded 2 nights a week" no discussion, no comprimise. This is the reason he approached the courts as I think he thought this would be granted. The second time in court was due to the same reasons. My ex is a very controlling person, which is the reason the relationship ended when I was pregnant. I work full time and its hard to meet his demands and when I stress this, he just threatens me with court! I have loved every minute of my 2 years of being a mum but I have to say that it could have been alot better as for 12 months of it I was in and out of the court or Cafcass! Its been so difficult and I hope soon I can see light at the end!

Micky, you comments have been really helpful, if I can advise you in anyway of my own dealings with Cafcass and the courts then please just ask. Before I was very first taken to court I had heard good and bad things about Cafcass which made me quite frightened. My personal opinion in my dealings is that where a young child is concerned and there is no trust between the parents they dont push you to agree to overnight stays or long periods away from the resident parent. I really hope everything works out for you and again if you need any advice at all please let me know.

I have sent a letter to my ex today so hopefully will hear something back next week.

You have all been fantastic, thankyou!!

Posted on: September 11, 2009 - 10:11pm

micky

Hi, everybody
Thank you for your replays ...I really need some encouragement myself as the first Court hearing is at the end of this month.
I just try to keep myself positive ....and trust the Law???? I do and I don't.....somehow I feel that the Law is very loose and too opened towards 'parents' which come out of the blow and , in the end , they will dissapear in the same way. Where is the stability a child should have ??? Us ...as adults, we can cope being disappointed ....but It is a different story when a child is involved.This is were I feel useless...I won't be able to protect my little one from that when it will happen...as I am sure it will happen. But...saying that ...this also gives me the strengh to move on and to fight against him ...and not to be afraid because I know I just try to do my best for my child.
Talk to you soon.Thank you.

Posted on: September 12, 2009 - 8:37pm

Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Yes, that is one of the sad things about ending up in court, that what is to happen to your child is decided by someone else Sadly, that is not always at the forefront of parents' minds when they take up the case and they can often seem to be doing it for their own ends.

Stay strong, micky, we are here for you :)

Posted on: September 13, 2009 - 1:24pm