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Digby

This is all still fairly new to me, so i am treading the waters with the access visits. When we split 2 months ago i thought that we had agreed as to how visits would be.

Every Monday son goes to dad's for couple of hours and has tea there
Wednesday dad picks son up from cubs and brings him home [ husbands choice to do this ]
Every other weekend, son goes to dad Friday - Saturday night.

Husband was more than happy with this. Now he is saying he wants to see him on the weekend that i have son, for a few hours. This is my weekend, not his, when we get to do things togeher. I work full time all week and this has always been "our time", to go swimming, cinema, treats etc.
When i pointed out that isn't what we agreed, he just got moody [ not sure of right word ] and said that was only ever interim [ whatever that is meant to mean? ] and he walked off in a huff.

I thought i was being more than fair, he does see his son every week one way or another, it isn't as if it is only his weekend that he sees him. This is a man that did nothing with his son when he was here, in his 8 years he has never even taken him to the cinema. He left me to do everything with him so he could spend time o nhis computer. Now he wants tp be perfect daddy.

I hate confrontation, and it worries me that i will end up agreeing to something i am not happy with so that we don't row. Even now my stomach is churning at the thought of it :?

Perhaps it is me, i know i have a very close relationship with my son, and hate him being away. We have always been a tight unit together. That isn't to say i didn't ever give his dad chance to do things with him, i ask him a lot of times, but mostly he was "too" busy.

Just one more thing, sorry to go on :oops: When husband comes to pick son up, he still just walks straight into my house. I have the type of door that doesn't lock unless with a key, so it is easy for him to get in. Am i being petty if i ask that he actually knocks and waits for me to answer door? It is something all his family do, and i have never liked.

Thanks in advance for anyone who can help

Posted on: May 20, 2009 - 7:41am
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hello Digby

Firstly don't forget all this is fairly new to both of you, there are bound to be loads of conflicting feelings around. Obviously it is much better for you two to arrange parenting time between you but I will tell you what the "standard" response of a Family Court might be. Not that I think you should go to court, but just to let you know what "the system" thinks is reasonable. The pattern I have often seen imposed is for the other parent to have the child alternate weekends (from Friday evening to Sunday evening) and one evening a week, probably not overnight but certainly until bedtime.

What wasn't clear from your post is when it is dad's weekend whether your son comes home Saturday evening or Sunday evening. If Saturday evening it could be argued that you still get every Sunday with your son and so it might be quite reasonable for Dad to want a short time on the "other " weekend. I do think you need to reserve the right to have this flexible though as, for example, what if you wanted to go away for the weekend?

I also think there is a lot of emotional upset involved here: I know how hard it is to hand your child over to someone else, even the other parent. I remember the first Christmas after my separation, my kids went to their dad straight after breakfast and I was alone for the day, I dont think I will ever forget it. I guess it is all part of the separation process and the heartbreak that can accompany it :cry:

re the house: my instinct would be to keep the door locked with the key inside if neccessary so that he HAS to knock. However...a word of caution, is he still paying the mortgage direct (as opposed to child support?) If so, it could be a red rag to a bull :x to be locked out of a house he still "owns", though it might be better to remedy this as soon as possible! You are entitled to your own space.

Take care

Louise :)

Posted on: May 20, 2009 - 10:13am
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

At first we had the standard every other weekend (Friday 6pm - Sunday 7pm on a school night as youngest was 5 then, 8pm when there was no school) I would take them to his on a Tuesday after I'd been to his dad and step-mum's for tea. He'd also bring the older two home from Scouts on a Thursday.

I got to the point where I had to withdraw Sunday contact from the children's father. By doing that I insisted he had them for tea on a Saturday where they didn't stay overnight, as I felt the children shouldn't have lost out on contact with him. The children loved it this way. Disruptive to "my" weekend with them, yes, but I felt it was the right thing to do. It didn't last long as their father wanted to have the time for himself.

I left, as we had to sell the family home to pay off ex's debts, so I can't really help about him coming in. I think it must be difficult when it is the family home. I know I was calling into the family home, and would walk in (had the key, ex at work), as there was cleaning and stuff to sort for the purchasers, so there was no choice. I've never set foot in any of ex's houses. After an incident here (I now have a housing association house) he is no longer welcome - which was incredibly hard on the children as they wanted him to come in to show him things.

That was the point of anything amicable ending with me too.

It is a no win situation, sadly.

Do you think mediation would help? You could both put your reasons forward then.

I do appreciate how hard it is.

Posted on: May 20, 2009 - 12:29pm
Hetty

Hi Digby,

My Ex has the children every other weekend (friday and saturday night) and wednesday afternoons 2-6.30pm (he is lucky to be his own boss so he can take this time off work). I have no advice on access im afriad but to me it sounds very reasonable as it is.

However on the point of him entering your house i had exactly the same problem. My ex and i jointly own our house and he always used to walk in regaurdless of wether im here or not. For ages i get all the keys in the locks so he couldnt "get" in...this got very tedious locking the door everytime someone, or the dog, wanted to come in and out!! I spoke to my solicitor about it and he told me of a very unknown but perfectly legal act.

6(2) Criminal Law Act 1977 -says that if a person tries to enter a home by force when there is someone in the home who might object to them entering, it is a criminal offence.

So....basically if he tries to gain access when he knows dam well you prefer him not to he is actually breaking the law. Also if you deny him access and he tries to get in by breaking a window, even if it is his own house he is still breaking the law. The twist is, not that it applies to us, that if squatters got into a house and the owner came home...the owner could be arrested for trying to gain access to their own home!!! Sounds crazey i know but its all true!

So what i did was explain to my ex that i needed my own space and that i wanted him to knock on the door like everyone else, when he protested i then threw this Act at him and expliane di could have him arrested if he made a fuss :)

Good luck, everything is such hard work but there are rewarding times xxxxxxxxxx

Posted on: May 20, 2009 - 1:28pm
Digby

My son stays just the one night, overnight on a Friday. My husband hasn't asked for any more than this, and seems happy to have him the one night. I suppose i am trying to come to terms with a man that now wants to see his son, when he never made the effort when he lived here. I have spent very little time away from my son.
I also don't feel that my husband could turn nasty if i don't agree with what he wants. I don't mean violence, but making things very difficult. We are both trying not to involve courts or soliciors, as we just be lining their pockets. Hopefully we will eventually work things out.

Weekends away will be a problem i think, if they coincide with his weekend with his dad. I have no family here, they are all 400 miles away, so there is no choice but to stay away some weekends, though i will try as much as i can to make sure that they aren't the same weekend as visits, but isn't always going to be possible. My husbands family are local, and he has never lived away from his so he has never completly understood why i need to visit my family.

Louise, Christmas is already worrying me, even though it hasn't been discussed yet, i can't imagine how it would be not to see my child that day. I have already thought that i will offer for my husband to spend the day here, so that we can both be with our son, but not sure if he will agree.

Thanks to all for your replies

Posted on: May 20, 2009 - 2:26pm
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Hi

The first Christmas we were apart, I invited the ex over from 6am, as I didn't see why he should miss out.

He came at 9am, and stayed until 3pm.

The second Christmas he came at about 11am until 3pm.

If things had stayed amicable, then I think that would have continued. (It meant I spent the day cooking the turkey dinner which I bought and then washing dishes though, as he just played with the children.)

Posted on: May 20, 2009 - 4:08pm
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hi Digby

It must feel strange that your ex is now paying a lot more attention to your son. Maybe he has realised how important it is for him to be in his son's life, or maybe his life is feeling rather empty at the moment and he is needing to fill it. Either way it must be weird for you :?

That is a great little titbit from hetty, thanks hetty, I hope that you feel able to state to him that you would like him to knock in future, it is your personal space now.

As for Christmas, I think that you should decide for yourself what you feel you need/want on Christmas day, you seem like you are considerate of your partners needs and your sons, but I think as single parents we often forget to state and stand up for our own needs.

Posted on: May 21, 2009 - 12:31pm