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6mnths preg, advice on ex and access/social services

mcduff2622

I dont really know how to explain this properly but basically I am 6 months pregnant and have been keeping the pregnancy from my ex (as i left when he hit me)...i decided to tell him as i felt guilty keeping the baby a secret.
So far he has been fine about it, although there are some things he wants such as going to a scan and being at the birth and the baby having his name..
however its slightly more complicated...
Although he only hit me once..there were other incidents within our relationship of emotional abuse and threatening behaviour and the police were involved on two prior occasions..When i left him and the police came around for me to pack my things safely etc (i also have a 1 yr old who lived with us but is not his baby) they contacted social services who then wrote to me saying if he were to have contact with my daughter or i were to go back to him they would have to intervene..
sorry if this is confusing...now i also had support from refuge emotionally after i left and the things that happened to me in the relationship are also on their records.
When i got pregnant i told the midwives why i left him and they did a risk assesment form and also informed social services i was having his baby and he was unaware of the fact,
the problem is, he has always denied ever doing anything wrong including hitting me and does not know the full extent of the involvement of these agencies..
now he is asking to come along to these things, which to be honest i am ok with..he is easy enough to be friends with, he just has issues when you are in a rship with him..and he has a new gf now anyway..but i dont know how it will work..if they will allow it? am i risking having my kids taken off me?
There are also issues with my family, who absolutely hate him and want nothing to do with him..and in his denial of ever being in the wrong he says they cant face him cos they know they r the ones in the wrong accusing him of things he hasnt done..
he says they will have to get used to him being around for things like christenings and birthdays, he is not happy to have seperate occasions and wants both families to put up with being in same room together...
i know my family will never want to see him let alone be in a room with him and i feel stuck in the middle.
I want to keep an amicable rship between us because i want my child to have a dad..but on the other hand i do not want to have to give in to all his demands (not that he has made any yet) for fear he will take me to court if i dont..though he says he would not do this..and i dont want to upset my family.
the main concern just now though is the social services one..if he finds out they are involved im worried what may happen..
should i speak to my midwife about this? and tell her i told him about baby and that he wants to come to scans and things??
I wonder if i made a mistake and i should have kept the baby a secret..so confused right now..

Posted on: December 30, 2009 - 1:35am
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Well firstly welcome to One Space and many congratulations on your pregnancy!

What's done is done, and there is little point in wondering whether you should have told the baby's father. There are two issues here: social services and future involvement. On the first issue, have you had any contact with social services? If you tell the midwife then she will update social services and they may then come and visit you and do their own assessment and your child may be put on the at risk register, though there would be a case conference first. Children are only taken away when they are in danger or being neglected. If you are the caregiver then you can show them you will not expose them to that. That may well mean that the father does not have the child unsupervised, if that is social services' assessment.

Apart from these safety issues, there is no reason why he cannot attend scans etc as long as you are comfortable with that. I understand why your family feel as they do but the fact remains that your baby has a right to know his/her father and as long as the child is safe then the very best thing for the child would be if the two families would co-operate. Hopefully their love for their grandchild will be greater than their hatred of its father. But try not to worry about it just yet; once the baby arrives things can seem very different to all concerned.

There is lots of support here so do keep posting

Posted on: December 30, 2009 - 8:55am
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Hi

Congratulations from me too.

Personally, I feel that crossing each bridge as you come to it is the way forward. There is time for things to be sorted before the baby is born. It would be sometime to before you would need to consider contact alone, by which time it may be possible to see how he will be with the child.

Posted on: December 30, 2009 - 10:27am
mcduff2622

hi,
thanks for the replies. I have never actually had personal contact with social services, only a letter about my daughter witnessing the dv..and what may happen if i were to go back. There have never been any charges made as i didnt want to make them officially (i have been through court system before with my dad/sexual abuse sufffered as a child/teenager and could not face prospect of it again)
Personally I dont feel the child would be in any danger having unsupervised contact, as he only ever got angry during fights with me..and was always a good father and most likely his family will be about as they are very close.
Im just worried it could be taken out of my hands. I told my mum last night that i have told him about the baby and she said its upto me what i do but not to involve her and she wants nothing to do with him etc etc and then started saying how i have to tell midwifes and social services because i could lose my babies if i dont inform them, and then saying i should get advice becuase he could try to get full custody etc etc..He said he would not take his children away from their mother and i believe him.
I know that he was emotionally abusive at times and yes he hit me once but it was not at all like a lot of DV..
As for worrying about things as they come along you are probably right, easier said thn done but i will try.
Unfortunately my family tend to let their hatred get in the way of their love pretty easily, they have cut me out of their lives many times in the past because i did not do what they thought i should do and let me down many times, they are quite controlling themselves and do not trust me nor do they think highly of me for one reason or another. I have tried to keep the relationship as good as i possibly can but i fear this will deteriorate in future as they will never compromise and get along with his family.

Posted on: December 30, 2009 - 5:21pm
mcduff2622

i decided to mention to my ex that social services are still involved as they did a risk assesment when i got pregnant..and this is how he reacted..to me it seems like how he used to be...sort of a threat but veiled in 'niceness/concern''....i dont know..
sorry it reads from bottom up:

Note from Moderator, sorry but I have to delete the copies of the emails/texts you posted, as they contained personal information and also we do not have the consent of the other party (the father) to have his messages posted on the forum. Hope you understand. I have read them and my reply is below, which I hope is helpful

Posted on: December 31, 2009 - 1:13am
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hello again mcduff 2622

It sounds as if there are lots of different strands to this situation but the simplest way to look at it is to consider only the safety and well-being of the children and to keep only that in mind, no matter what the emotional dynamics between you and the father. You have had a letter from Social Services about being in a relationship with him, and you have stated that you are not going to do this.

AS for the families, it sounds from the messages you originally posted as if both families are fairly obstructive, in which case you could rise above this and just do what you think is best for your children.

Stay strong :)

Posted on: December 31, 2009 - 8:26am
lindsaygii

What a mess, I'm sorry to hear you have so much to deal with at the same time as being pregnant.

Do you want him at the birth?? He doesn't sound like the loving supportive type. Can you ask a family member or friend, or pay a doula? Just tell him you want a woman there with you. Any decent human being would understand that. If he wants to see the newborn, he can wait in the corridor with a cigar in his top pocket. If he refuses to let you choose who comes into the birthing room with you then he has told you everything you need to know about him, hasn't he?

I've never understood why mothers who are not with the father give the child the father's name. Are you going to do it? Think about the power it will give him over you for the rest of your life if you do...

As for the rest - I think Louise said it all. You have to think about the child. And so should he. Although from the sound of it, I doubt he will....

:(

Posted on: December 31, 2009 - 9:27pm
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Dear mcduff2622

I have been where you are and from what I have read, this most certainly is domestic abuse, his whole way of being is about controlling you and his child....I did not read the text messages, but i can imagine what they were like.

I understand you telling him about the baby, you want things to be smooth and all ok. I don't mean to be pessimistic but I really doubt you will get anything that YOU wish for here. If he wants to be at the birth, he will do everything he can to get there and kick up a fuss if anyone stands in his way. The same goes for access etc etc. He may a have a new girlfriend, but he will be using this situation with you to manipulate her as well as you.

Everything you say to him, you are giving him power. I know this sounds harsh, but trust me, you need to know that even though you feel you are being fair and telling him everything, from what you have said in previous posts, he will use it against you. It is completely understandable that your family are against him.

My daughter is now 15, my family had no time for her dad and although I used to hate them for it, now I think if my daughter was in the same position (I would deal with it differently) but I would have absolutely nothing to do with anyone who laid their hands on her.

I have so much I could say to you mcduff2622, obviously your post has touched a chord with me! Please go back to Womens Aid, the refuge staff and get someone to work through this with you.

Find out about a Freedom Programme running near you (a course for women who have survived DV) as although you don't think your relationship fits the bill, it SURE does. Have a read

Also have a read of the article in our Abuse and Violence section of our Info Library: http://www.onespace.org.uk/articles/abuse-and-violence

I have just seen this article that suggests you ring NSPCC Child Protection helpline, they would be able to answer any queries you have about what the Social Services may or may not do regarding your children and your ex.

You are in a horrible place right now and you need all the support you can get, please go out and look for it. How is your little girl? Is she excited about your pregnancy? Are you looking after yourself? Do you have any good friends around you?

Posted on: January 1, 2010 - 1:33pm
lindsaygii

Anna - just a thought. He can only be at the birth if someone rings him to tell him when it's happening. If he doesn't get a call till after then he'll just have to come along after, won't he?

mcduff - what Anna says about power and abuse is so right, and it must be very hard for you to hear. Especially as pregnancy makes you feel vulnerable anyway at times... Are you getting help and support from the services around you? Can you ask them to help you get some control back? When the baby comes it will be you who has to look after it, and it will be harder for you if you're trying to make things right for him too. If he can't step back for the good of your baby maybe one of your friends or family can help you get some space to think about the future. Soon you're going to have a lovely tiny little baby - try to get ready for that with people who will love you both. If he can't or won't let you prepare for his child coming into the world then he is absolutely not worth having about. Make it as happy a time as you can.

Posted on: January 1, 2010 - 10:28pm
Claire-Louise

Hi Mcduff2622
How are you doing today? I feel for you as your pregnancy should be a real happy and relaxed time when you can focus on yourself and your growing baby - not all the agro you are having to deal with due to your ex.
I do, however agree with Anna that your ex is being very controling over you and your unborn child, saying he wants to be there for scans, the birth, birthdays (with your family rather than separate events) and the name of the child. Has he asked you what you want in any of this? it seems like he has it all planned out for years to come and is being pretty demanding in all of it. And then on top of it being abusive in reply to your honesty about the social services involvement which as Anna says does all add up to a dominator type person that is typical of domestic abuse or violence I am afraid.
I hope you have had some success following up those links that Anna gace you? I would seriously advise you to speak to your midwife about the situation and see if you can get a support worker from women's aid to help you through this on a face to face basis. The other thing is to keep a record of your contact with him (I am sure you know this from before) for example the text he sent you etc as you do not know at this stage what way it will go.
Good luck and please let us know how you are getting on.
Cheers C-L

Posted on: January 2, 2010 - 5:18pm
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

HI mcduff2622

I am wondering how you are? How life is treating you?

I think Claire-Louise made a valid point, the people in your life, whether it is your boyfriend or your family, should be asking what do YOU want. Anyone that is asking that is a goodun and you should put some faith in them to help you through this.

Have you had your 5 month scan? Was it lovely hearing the heart beat, do you know what sex the baby is, or is it too early to tell?

Posted on: January 4, 2010 - 10:22am
lindsaygii

Even when everything was terrible (my partner left when I was two months' pregnant) the scans were lovely. On one of them the radiographer could see him taking a drink of the placental fluid and she rewound it and played it again to show me. Aahh! :)

Posted on: January 4, 2010 - 8:14pm
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Oh my! Do they video scans now? In my day it was just a black and white picture that you had to pay a fiver for! :)

Posted on: January 6, 2010 - 10:27am
lindsaygii

It's like watching a film - it's so clear! I saw his brain on one of them. No, really! And one time I had a student radiographer who was getting excited about being able to see the placenta. That wasn't quite so good, but hey, can't win them all.. :lol:

Towards the end I had some complications (actually, I didn't, it was a misdiagnosis, but they thought I did) so I had lots of extra scans. I got so used to going and looking at him on the little screen every couple of weeks, I almost forgot I was going to actually get him out of there at some point... ;)

Posted on: January 7, 2010 - 10:24pm
Anna
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Posted on: January 8, 2010 - 10:26am
Claire-Louise

Wow are these the 3D scans where you can see the babies features, expressions etc etc? No, mine were all black and white and quite fuzzy. Sounds amazing!
C-L

Posted on: January 8, 2010 - 3:23pm
lindsaygii

Yep, saw his little face, hands moving, everything. He looked like he was practising a card trick on one of them; 'nothing up my sleeves'. ha haa.. Then when he was born, sure enough, he was still doing it. J's magic hands. Aaah. :lol:

Posted on: January 8, 2010 - 9:51pm
Claire-Louise

Cheers for that lindsaygii but I have one further question - what do you get given after the scan? Is it still a fuzzy black and white picture or do you get a video clip to take away? Sorry if I am being dumb here but I feel like I am now from the dark ages in terms of scan technology!!!!
Cheers C-L

Posted on: January 9, 2010 - 3:48pm
shortie2

Anna wrote:
Oh my! Do they video scans now? In my day it was just a black and white picture that you had to pay a fiver for! :)

yeah we're the same up here anna. the first picture is free then if you want addiontal pics of that scan its a pound for each pic.

Posted on: January 13, 2010 - 9:19pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

I was in the Xray department last week and there was a notice up saying that DVDs of baby scans could be purchased. I forget the cost, think it was about a tenner.

Posted on: January 14, 2010 - 8:43am
lindsaygii

Claire-Louise wrote:
what do you get given after the scan?

It's still that same fuzzy black and white picture they've been giving out since 1963. I think they just have a photocopier under the desk! ha haa.

I have heard of this DVD thing, but it wasn't offered at either of the two hospitals (Whipps Cross, London and Musgrove Park, Taunton) that scanned me.

I bought the scan pics anyway (yeah, they charge..) and gave them to the grannies. My mum still has one of them on her dressing table. :)

Posted on: January 14, 2010 - 7:43pm
Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Talking of grannies, lindsaygii, I am guessing you have had no reply to your letter to paternal granny?

Posted on: January 16, 2010 - 7:45am