Sally C

Hi All - there has been a lot of discussion on the boards about what happens if you want to study or train when claiming Income Support or JSA. As it's a bit complicated, I thought I would start a separate topic on the matter.

Studying on JSA:
Once you are claiming JSA you are not able to enrol on a full-time course, although you might be able to claim JSA during the summer holidays between terms if you are able to look for work. This is because in order to claim JSA, you must be available for work – so, if you are studying full-time you won’t be allowed to claim JSA as you will be deemed unavailable for work.
You may be able to claim JSA if you are a part-time student. If you are studying outside the times you stated as being available to work, and you think you can reasonably combine work and study, you may be able to claim. Also, if you explain to your adviser that you will change your hours of study, or give up your course if work becomes available, you may be able to claim. The important thing is to discuss your ideas with your adviser.
Also, while claiming JSA you will have access to the New Deal for Lone Parents, the same as when you were on Income Support. If you want more information on learning or training opportunities, speak to your personal adviser and they should inform you of what is currently available. If you have been on JSA for more than 6 months then you may be entitled to pursue an 8-week full-time course while still claiming JSA.

Studying on Income Support:
If you haven’t been moved to JSA yet and are still claiming IS, then you can study full-time and remain on IS until either:
The course finishes (or you stop attending for some reason) OR
Your youngest child reaches the age at which benefit entitlement would have ended under the rules that were in place when you STARTED the course.

To break it down:

Phase 1 – if your YOUNGEST child is 11–15 years old
• and you enrolled on a full-time course BEFORE 24 November 2008, you can continue to claim IS until you finish studying course or your youngest child reaches age 16, whichever comes first;

Phase 2 – if your YOUNGEST child is 9–11 years old
• and you enrolled on a full-time course BEFORE 25 October 2009, you can continue to claim IS until you finish studying course or your youngest child reaches age 12, whichever comes first;

Phase 3 – if your YOUNGEST child is 6–9 years old
• and you enrolled on a full-time course BEFORE 24 October 2010, you can continue to claim IS until you finish studying course or your youngest child reaches age 10, whichever comes first; and
• if you enrol on a full-time course AFTER 25 October 2010, you will be subject to the same rules as other lone parents and your claim to IS will end when your youngest child reaches age 7.

For example, Ms Smith has 1 daughter who is 11 but will be turning 12 in February 2010. Ms Smith enrolled on a full time course for 2 years this September 2009 (before the October changes). As the rules of 08-09 apply to her, she WILL be moved off IS when her child turns 12 in February.

Another example, Mr Jones has 2 children, the youngest of which is 7. He is going to enrol on a full time course for 1 year in September 2010 (before the October changes). Mr Jones will be able to continue to claim IS until the course finishes, as this comes before his youngest reaches 10. After the course finishes, he will be moved off IS.

This is a really useful document containing lots of info on studying full time as a single parent:
http://www.gingerbread.org.uk/portal/page/portal/Website/For%20lone%20parents/single-parents-information-online/Factsheets/Money%20for%20further%20education%20students

If you need anymore examples, let me know!

Hope this is of some help… :)

Sally C

Posted on: September 24, 2009 - 1:58pm
LonelyDad

any idea on what the rules are for studying whilst claiming incapacity benefit?

Posted on: November 16, 2009 - 5:09am

Bubblegum
DoppleMe

Hi Sally C

Is there a course I can go on so that I will be able to understand what courses I can and can't go on and when and how and what and if?

Yours, humbly
Simon.

Posted on: November 16, 2009 - 9:13am

sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Bubblegum wrote:
Hi Sally C

Is there a course I can go on so that I will be able to understand what courses I can and can't go on and when and how and what and if?

Yours, humbly
Simon.

:lol: :lol:

I think one is needed...

Posted on: November 16, 2009 - 2:46pm

Sally C

Hi Lonely Dad - nice to meet you, and thank you for your post. Studying and claiming Incapacity Support is complex, so the best thing to do is speak to your adviser as each situation is different and there's not really a straight forward answer... For now, though, have a look at this link:

http://www.skill.org.uk/page.aspx?c=10&p=106#welfare

It's a really useful organisation, and you should look at the Info Sheet that's called Studying and Claiming Benefits as 'Incapable of Work'.

Does this help at all?

And, hello Simon! I wish there was a course I could signpost you to... I agree with sparklinglime that there needs to be one, and I'd go on it too! It's so complicated isn't it, all the many different rules that come with this policy change. Has anyone here actually had the rules explained to them about studying at WFIs?

If you need any more info, let me know...

Cheers,
Sally C :)

Posted on: November 18, 2009 - 1:39pm

sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Do you know, I'm sorry that it is going to be complex when in receipt of incapacity benefit. Really, I'd have thought that would have been something that would really be good for someone.

Good luck Loney dad.

Posted on: November 18, 2009 - 7:21pm

pinkgrapefruit

For what its worth thought I'd add a bit in about my experience....I'm a lone parent studying full time to be a teacher. Thankfully because i'm training to teach a 'shortage' subject I get a tax free bursary of £1k per month, this comes through once the course starts automatically. However I'm also entitled to the maximum grant and childcare grant from Student Finance because I don't live with anyone who is earning an income. Despite applying for this back in Feb my grant only actually came thro a couple of weeks ago. I was ringing (a rather expensive) helpline number every week to chase it up and finally got my application to the top of the pile when in frustration I burst into tears on the phone to the helpline and said I'd have to give the course up because I couldn't keep paying for childcare without being reimbursed. I can't understand why my application which was submitted so early hadn;t been recognised as being a priority (as I'm a lone parent with no income) and been dealt with quickly, instead all the students living at home with parents and no real financial responsibilities getting their money before me!

My advice to anyone who is thinking about becoming a student - get your student finance application in early and keep chasing and chasing and chasing, its well worth it when you finally get the money through!

Posted on: November 18, 2009 - 9:31pm

Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Thanks for that, Bec. I know I have seen on the news a lot of students having problems with paying rent etc because their grants haven't come through.

Re Incapacity Benefit, I guess the switch over to Employment Support Allowance will be another factor to consider, in theory this could mean that people could be helped onto a course that would equip them for work and be apawhile they were studying, I wonder if it will work out that way in practice?

Posted on: November 19, 2009 - 9:57am

hjosh

Yea, it’s a complicated one. As the name suggests, Job Seeker Allowance is only there for people who are actively seeking a job. If you are a full-time student, the chances that you are actively seeking a job are quite slim. That’s why it makes sense. If you want to study full-time, the best thing to do is apply for a student’s loan. Otherwise, study part-time and then you can work/claim JSA.

Posted on: November 24, 2010 - 9:11am