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Hi ladies
If you've been on the Freedom programme I would love to hear from you. I went on it 18 months ago and think its BRILLIANT - its changed my life. It would be great if everyone could stay intouch. Hope to hear from you- Jo x
Hi jo-anne and elissa
What a great idea, having a topic on the Freedom Programme! :)
You both put messages on the board, so I have merged them, so that it doesn't get too confusing!
For people who don't know what the Freedom Programme is- it is a programme for women who have or still are experiencing domestic violence. It gives an insight into what an abuser believes and gives us information about what their tactics are, which are all surprisingly similar!
If you have experienced domestic abuse, whether it was verbal or physical and want to find out more, leave a message here and I will get back to you. Also, if you have been on the Freedom Programme, join jo-anne and elissa and share thoughts, feelings and experiences.
Look forward to some great discussions.
I'm just coming to the end of the programme. When I started I wasn't at all sure that I belonged there. My husband was mentally/emotionally abusive but never hit me. I have learned so much and it gave me to strength to leave back at the beginning of June. My girls are all so much happier, especially my eldest. I left bang in the middle of her GCSEs and I was scared that leaving would affect her results. Now I believe that leaving actually helped her by giving her hope. She managed to get TEN GCSE passes, 2 B's and 8 C's. She has just started A levels at sixth form. Not only did the programme help me but I feel it gave me the opportunity to help, support and encourage other people on the programme. I have also managed to talk my husbands ex-wife into finding a programme in her area, as she is still suffering from the abuse she endured years ago.
Lorna
Hi Rosedragon
Wow, you must be so proud of your daughter!
That is an interesting thought I think we often have when faced with finally wanting to leave an abusive relationship . . . . . what about the children? How will they cope? etc, but as you have shown, you gave your daughter hope. Children are much more resilient than we realise. We are their role models and we may feel like we are bad role models for not making our relationship work, but the proof is in the pudding! It seems to have a very positive effect on nearly all the children I have met and heard about.
Well done you, I love it that you are now helping and supporting other women, keep up the good work rosedragon! :)
Hi everyone!
I love this programme! I was in a violent relationship for 4 years, then had my daughter and it gave me the strength to leave him, it has been an ongoing nightmare what with my low self esteem, his random visits in the middle of the night and my daughter being quite aggressive.
I have been separated from him for 10 years (wow, is it really that long??) but he still invades my thoughts, my dreams and occassionally still my front door. anyway, i was desperate to understand how and why i had got involved with such a crazy man? was there something defunct in me that made me want to be with him, I loved him so much :?
I had been to a support group for women who had experienced DV and found that everyone was trying to compete with how BAD their partner was and i found it really gross and thought oh mi god am i like these people???
Years later i read about the Freedom Programme, the next thing i knew it came to my town, i jumped at the chance to do it and IT CHANGED MY LIFE!!!! - HURRAH!
I am a different person now, I have a fantastic Mr Right in my life!
But to be honest i do still behave in a similar ways frm before when there is tension, although my partner doesn't really kick off, i still get scared and i don't speak my mind, I don't know if thats because i think it will make him REALLY angry or because i think he is going to twist it and turn it until i don't know what i am saying. so i tend to go quiet, does anyone else do this??
Hi people
Can somebody tell me what the freedom programme is?
S xx
hi everyone.
im currently on my 5th week of the frredom programme. and i most ay it has really opened my eyes to what my partner has been doing to me for the last 5 years. we split at the weekend and im hoping with the support of friends from the group and others i will get through this and not give into him and go back to what can be described as a nightmare. i can already see the difference in my children since he left.
i hope i get out of this as much as so me others do.
from claire
Hi lovelysb, thanks for the interest.
The Freedom Programme is a 12 week course for women who have experienced domestic abuse or are experiencing it and want a better understanding of what is/has happened to them.
Statistics show that 1 in 4 women will experience domestic abuse at some point in their lives, it is acutally believed to be higher, but often women don't recognise that being called names, having time restrictions when going to the supermarket or being told that they should stay at home and not work because their partner might be jealous is all forms of abuse and control.
Some women don't even recognise that being pushed down the stairs in an argument, or being slapped across the face is abuse and often they blame themselves for it, this programme is about changing those views.
Did you know that in Britain a woman is killed by her partner every 3 days? (London Home Office statistics 2007) Shocking stuff eh? But the sad but true fact is that women believe it is their fault somehow and it is only happening to them.
The Freedom Programme busts all the myths about domestic abuse and violence and empowers women to recognise their own beliefs and that of their abuseive partner. Have a look at http://www.onespace.org.uk/articles/abuse-and-violence in our Info Library, where you can find out more.
Hi Everyone
How wonderful to see this great forum. I wrote the programme and am delighted that One Space is hosting this.
Please visit my web site
http://www.freedomprogramme.co.uk
to find a programme near you
Love and Hugs to you all
Pat Craven
I have written a book about the Freedom Programme called 'Living with the Dominator'.
It is available from my web site or Amazon
http://www.freedomprogramme.co.uk
Hugs again Pat Craven
Hi Pat
I have this book, its a great book and i recommend everyone should read it. I love Jacky Flemmings pictures too!!
x
Hi all
Are you ready for Christmas? How are you feeling? Is there trouble round the corner, or is it a relief to know that you are safe and free to enjoy the festivities with your friends, family and children?
Wishing you all a Happy Yuletide! xxx
Hello Everyone
I hope you all enjoyed a happy and peaceful holiday
Best Wishes Pat Craven
Happy New Year to you Pat!
I hope you have a good one!
hiya, i started the freedom course 4 weeks ago now and i can't believe how much it has helped me in this short amount of time. it has really opened my eyes to the abuse that i have suffered over the last 5 years. i would strongly recomend this programme to anyone going or has gone through domestic violence. i'd just like to say thank you to all at the freedom course for all your supportx :)
Hi,
I am new to this but have looked at this site for weeks before having the guts to post.
I have just left a 14 year marriage, been with him 17 years. We have 3 children, twin boys who are 12 and a daughter who is 5. I have thought for years something wasn't "right" and after a bad incident which finally got him to come to marriage counciling, we were both refered to domestic violence groups. He is on an abusers one and I am on the freedom program. I have only just started going but have found it to be great, they really understand. I hope it will help me gain my confidence & independace back.
The hardest part for me just now is guilt, I feel terrible about my choice to spilt from their dad has and will have a negitive effect on the kids. I know that they are better off away from him but can't help doubting my decison. Is this normal?
I have gone on a bit, so I'll stop there.
I've found the story's and advise on here to be really helpful, so thankyou.
Hi Kellie1986
Thaks for sharing your positive comments, I agree it does help sort out a lot of mess inside our heads!
Please keep coming back to this group and share anything you want, hopefully it will inspire others. :D
Dear bug
WELCOME! I am so glad you had the guts to post, well done on making a positive decision for you and your family. Don't forget to give yourself a pat on the back every now and then for getting where you are today, it has been a long and VERY hard struggle. I believe one of the most difficult decisions I have ever had to make. There is nothing to feel guilty about, you are doing the best to create a healthy family.
I think it is completely normal to question your decision otherwise, we wouldn't move forward in our lives. You have spent a lot of your life with your husband, 17 years is a long time for someone to get under your skin. Maybe take time out when you are feeling confused and ask yourself where the confusion comes from....is it his voice in your head questioning you, or is it you the caring mother? You know in your gut it was the right thing to do otherwise you wouldn't have done it.
The children will see that too, in time. As you become happier and find yourself, your home will become happier and that can only be a positive.
You say that your ex is attending an abusers programme, keep your head about you when talking to him, sometimes I think this can give them more tactics than they already have under their belt. But on the other hand it may make him see the error of his ways and he may want to change. This would be great for him.....it doesn't necessarily mean that you have to have him back, (Take note of 'The Persuader' in the programme) but it would make him a better father for his children.
You have read the other posts on this group, all the women have said that splitting with their abusive partner has had a positive impact on their children. Keep that in mind. :)
Please come back and share any other worries you may have, we are here for you :D
Thankyou for your kind reply.
I feel much better today, had another session with the freedom programme yesterday. I also bought the book by Pat Craven "living with the dominator" which is what i am learning in my group but I have read it cover to cover twice and will keep re reading it. It helps me in my moments of doubt which I have between my sessions on the programme. (I now see that the doubt & confussion is put there by my husband)
I have been put in touch with various support workers and found the courage to apply for benefits etc as I have a badly broken leg, I've been in cast for 18 weeks and still counting! I have always worked to support the children, pay bills etc so this is all new to me. I thought I had no rights and had to rely on my husband. I thought as I had left him, I wouldn't be entitled to any form of help.
I was so lost a few days ago and did not know where to turn or what to do.
The children and me have all noticed what a different house we live in and he has only been gone a few weeks, we can relax now. Everyone is so much calmer, even the dog. :D . I keep reminding myself of this.
Thankyou for this web site and I can't thank the freedom programme enough, it has saved my sanity, my children and proberly my life too.
Bug x
Hey bug
Glad to see you back again! I am so glad that you are feeling better, I am in complete agreement, the Freedom Programme is absolutely fantastic, LIFE CHANGING!
It is normal for us to have up and down days, it is the beginning of the rest of your life, there is bound to be uncertainty. I hope you are celebrating your freedom on a regular basis, whether it be, leaving the washing up, not tidying up after the children or even that lie in that maybe was never allowed!!
Great news about your dog!! :D Keep in touch :)
Hi
I am not able to attend the programme due to work commitments, do you get answers, or learn to live with the whys?
Alison
Hi alison and welcome,
do you get answers, or learn to live with the whys?
YES to both your queries!
What you get from the Freedom Programme is a very clear understanding not only of abusive men's behaviour and tactics, but of yourself also.
You get the support from other women who have (scarily) experienced very similar experiences and emotions and a chance to talk all the rubbish that happened, out of your system.
And you get some ideas about what to look out for in future partners.
Some programmes around the country are run in the evenings, would these be possible to attend?
Have a look in our Info Library on the home page under Abuse and Violence for a general idea about the programme. If you have any questions, you can always talk to me here.
Take care of you and stay in touch. How long ago did you and your ex split?
Thanks Anna
Well the last straw was July last year, he really kicked off 3 weeks before the wedding, i had to get a non molestation order and then went for an occupation order, he was allowed to stay in the house for 4 weeks because he lied in court and said that he had to save up for a deposit, he went to live at his sisters house. I am still tied to him becuase his name is on the mortgage and the mortgage company wont let me take the mortgage over as house prices have gone down, therefore in negative equity. He is getting legal aid, i am having to pay for a solicitor, he also got married last November.
What i cant understand is why people like him are allowed to get away with it because the system works for them and not the victims.
Alison
Hi alison
It sounds as if you have been going through a really tough time.
The negative equity situation is very tricky, have you spoken to the Citizens Advice Bureau? Perhaps they could support you with actions that you could take.
Here is their website address: http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index.htm, where you can find your local bureau.
What i cant understand is why people like him are allowed to get away with it because the system works for them and not the victims.
Hopefully in time solicitors, judges, police etc will wise up to the manipulative tactics of an abusive person, but until then just know that there are many other people in the same boat as you, struggling to keep afloat and live a healthy life.
Do you feel safe now? Are you still being harrassed?
Hi Anna
The citizens advice werent very helpful last time i went to see them, so i will give it a miss. I do feel safe, and he is still trying to get to me by making demands through his solicitor regarding the house. I think he is pushing to get his name off my mortgage now is because he wants to move onto his next victim and get his name onto his new wife's. He does still work in the same hospital but i rarely see him.
Thank you for all your support, i am seeing someone from outreach on a weekly basis and we are going through the programme on a one to one, and she is wonderful and very supportive and helpful.
I just want it to end so i can start to build myself again.
Alison
These are difficult times, but I promise you one day you will turn around and realise that it is in the past, just keep strong! Is that a good thing that he wants his name off the mortgage? do you think you will stay there or move somewhere else?
That is excellent news that you have a wonderful outreach worker who is supporting you. I hope that you are finding the Freedom Programme enlightening! Please come back and share any of the sessions that you find particularly useful or that really hit a nerve. Which session are you on??
Hi Anna
Yes it is a good thing for me that he wants out of the mortgage, however i am not able to get it in my own name, i have to stay where i am until the market is much better or i will lose everything i worked for keeping my previous house going as i put money into this house and now there is negative equity only left.
I am not sure which part of the programme i am on, i was asked to read the living with the dominator book, which i did and i made notes, there were 4 pages typed up from what i can remember! last friday we started going through these, this week we will continue going through the notes i made, then we will look at the beliefs, i think. the programme is wonderful and is helping.
I am very angry with him for what he has done to me during our time together and angry with myself for letting him. I know i will get through this because i am a tough lady, although sometimes i find myself wondering if i actually can. But then a friend comes round and changes everything.
I had a friend text me today saying that he needed my help with some surgery, i asked him where he needed his surgery, he told me his finger, so he came round and i sorted out his finger and he gave me a shoulder to cry on, he didnt know everything that had gone on, but told me to phone him any time i needed a cuddle, hug or just to cry to.
Friends come along when you think they arent really there!
Alison
Hi Alison
Thanks for your reply, life does work in mysterious ways! It is always good to know that we have friends. Please remember that you are vulnerable at the moment, so be careful of well meaning male friends. For your own sake and for theirs!!
You say that you are feeling angry at him, which is great, it is all part of the healing process.
I understand feeling anger towards yourself but don't give yourself too harder a time, we all make mistakes and you are doing everything to learn from it.
You are a strong woman, you have been through a lot of pain and confusion, but now you are making changes in your life, be proud of you! :D
Hi Anna
Thank you very much for all your support, dont worry, this male friend has been a friend for quite some time now and knows where he stands, besides he has a new flame that is keeping him occupied.
I am proud of what i have acheived so far, but my hands are tied due to the financial market, however this hasn't stopped my ex still dishing out demands. I have to get the house valued, i have to get a redemtion figure, they want proof of my application forms for mortgage applications, as they dont have any proof that the house is in negative equity. So you see even now he is still demanding and making me do things he wants through his solicitor.
I want him off the mortgage more than he wants off it, and I want this to end forever, i want nothing more to do with him.
I am going to make a few demands myself once i have the valuations, I am also taking my time getting these. I am going to demand that he write to the mortgage company telling them he wants to get out of it.
I am also going to make it quite clear to his solicitor and to the legal services commision that his circumstances have changed and he should be reconsidered for legal aid, as he is now married. I am also going to state that he entered into this of his own free will and hasnt kept up his commitment to it and perhaps he should take some time out before he thinks about entering into another commitment so soon.
I am trying to keep strong and keep fighting but am finding it increasingly difficult. I trying really hard.
Alison
Hi alison
It all sounds so complicated, I am glad that you have a solicitor that understands it all!
Glad you didn't take offence what I said about your friend :? I am glad that you have the whole situation under control, I have seen women who have been on the Freedom Programme, feel stronger and more insightful only for another manipulator to come and swoop in his prey. We SO need to take time out to get to know ourselves better and find happiness on our own.
It is hard times, I do hope you take time out for yourself occassionally? All the worries that you have will still be there, but you can decide to stop thinking about them for a while and treat yourself to a swim, or a massage, or a meal out or just a good film or new book. It can revive positive self thoughts. :)
Hi anna
Thank you, yes I agree that I should have some time out, I suppose at the moment the end seems a long way off and I cant see the light. I will keep strong, and don't worry there is no way another bloke is coming near me again for a very long time
Alison
The right people come along when we are least expecting them and when we don't really need them, when we have found contentment with ourselves and our lives.
Take care :) Have a good Easter :)
Thank you, you have a good Easter too
Alison
Hi there, i'm new here!
I split with my husband 3 months ago. We have 2 girls together 4 and 1. I have a great outreach worker who has signed me onto a freedom program, which started today.
Im so confused! I really hope that this program will go some way into sorting out the mess in my head. I am relieved and happy that i have split with him and in some repects i am looking forward to the future...but i miss him too. When i hear myself say that i could kick myself! I KNOW that im better off without him but i worry about everything. Especially the children...he's always been a great Dad and still sees them wednesdays and every other weekend. When i see him with them my heart melts and i wonder what ive done...i'll never have that feeling with anyone else cause he is their only Dad!!!
I recognise that his behaviour is not normal - tried to kill himself and texted me telling me it was all my fault and wrote a letter to my girls - in his new house he has done everything i had been asking him to do for us for years, gardening, housework allsorts of "normal" things - he also takes so much more time off work to be with the kids or be around his house, has dinner with friends ect. I know it sounds silly but these "little" things would have made such a HUGE difference if he'd done it when we were together....then i think maybe he's learnt his lesson? But i know deep down they can't change. He even lives now in the house i wanted us to move into last year but we never did because of his actions.
Ive never felt so confused in my whole life.
Thanks for listening to my waffle
x
Hello Hetty and welcome! :D
It is only natural for you to have mixed feelings about what has happened. After all there WERE good things about your relationship, not least your beautiful children. It is good that they continue to enjoy time with him. In a way you are going through a bereavement for what might have been, for the hopes you once had. It must feel frustrating that you can see all the things happening that you craved when you were together....but you have come this far and have a clear vision of the future. There will be tough times ahead but you CAN do it. We're all here to support you.
Take care
Louise ;)
Thank you Louise :D
My outreach worker says that what he's doing is trying to lure me back to him...and its all pre-meditated. Once she explained this to me it all made sense! He knows dam well what i craved was a "normal" family life and so hes trying to show me now that he can do that. But its too little too late and if anything its making me hate him more as its cruel what he's doing :(
I WILL be strong and i WILL get through this! :D
Thanks again for reading, i love the sight and will see if theres any other posts i can join in :)
xx
Hi hetty
I agree 100% with your outreach worker, your ex is completely trying to show you what you are missing!! It is all pre meditated. Wait till you get to The Persuader, it will all make sense! Don't believe it, he won't be able to keep it up!
The Freedom Programme will make sense of the mess in your head I assure you. It will make things a lot more clearer as to why he behaved as he did and why you behaved as you did. You will come to see that it was all a game (of some sorts) a plan to keep you where he wanted you. I think it is hard for survivors of abuse in the home, to come to terms with that fact, as we are ruled by our hearts, when we meet someone and fall in love. Whereas abusive men/women are ruled by their heads! :roll:
You are right hetty, you WILL get through this and you will have a great future of your making AND you will be able to share what you have learned with your girls as they get older, so they don't make the same mistakes as we did! ;)
I also wanted to say I completely understand the missing him thing. I wrote an article http://www.onespace.org.uk/articles/abuse-and-violence/life-after-abuse I hope it makes you realise that missing him is completely normal, you have loved/forgiven and tried to understand him for many years, that doesn't just disappear.
Look forward to talking to you some more, please share how your next sessions go.
Wow Thanks Anna...you sound like your very familiar with this sort of situation.
For me it was all mental, emotional and financial control...he never needed to lay a finger on me so no actual violence. My outreach worker syas this leaves scars that take longer to heal :?
There is a momnet in EVERY day where i think i'll go back t him...but luckily these moments are getting shorter :)
Thanks so much for your support..your stuck with me now!! lol
x
Great to have you on board! :D
The old saying "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me", is SO not true.
We often say this to our children if they are getting picked on in the playground, but my passing this phrase on completely undermines the emotional side of bullying.
Please feel free to add your story to the "My Story" in the Introduce Yourself online group. A lot of people who have survived abuse have found that by writing out the history of it, makes it clearer, easier to pull apart and recognise what went on. It also means that you don't have to keep everything going round and round in your head.
I have just read that you only split up with your ex 3 months ago, so things will still be VERY raw. Have a look at the topic "The best thing about being a single parent is..." for a light hearted look at the positives, it might just cheer you up and remind you why you REALLY DON'T him back :D
Thanks Anna i'll have a look. I already write everything down...even if he picked kids up with no problems...because ive had police involvement and they have advised me to keep a diary for the courts. I read it back sometimes and i think "wow i'd forgotten that"...its scary. My story would take way too long to post here...hehehehe...probably like everyone else too...but ive done a brief intro :)
x
Hi hetty
I read it back sometimes and i think "wow i'd forgotten that"...its scary.
I too had to write a diary many years ago and every now and then I have to pull it back out because of something else the lunatic has done. When I re-read it I am always amazed at what really went on during access visits, that I didn't have the confidence to stop it, that I accepted that it was OK and that the Courts deemed it ok too.
Wonders will never cease. :)
Take care of you :)
Thanks for your replies Anna, sounds like we may have similar backgrounds. I do read most posts on the board but im finding it difficult to have the confidence to offer advice to anyone else yet! Ive made such a mess of my relationships i dont think im capable of offering advice elsewhere!
Im still hanging in there...although the daily grind is drawing in on my slightly at the moment. Bought Pat Cravens book "Living with the dominator" the other day...so im reading that too. Im worried its making me think "oh he wasnt THAT bad" though...grrrr i need to stop worrying!!
X
Hi hetty, don't feel you have to respond to other people, its fine if you don't. :)
You may find though as you keep reading that you can offer support to others or just share your experiences - there is no right or wrong answers.
"Living with the Dominator" is an excellent book, I am thrilled to hear you are reading it, but Hetty remember that the book is compiled of many different survivors and perpetrators stories, an abusive person doesn't have to be all those different personas, he may be only one. Or bits of one, abuse comes in many different guises and I am sure as you carry on reading the book you will recognise some stuff. Definitely from the "Persuader" chapter?? :?:
Maybe you are just feeling a little down at the time of writing and maybe missing him is becoming the overwhelming feature of today, but you KNOW in your heart that he wasn't being fair to you and trying (as I am sure you did) to make your world a better place.
LOL, just read this post but think ive answered it in my other reply to you Anna on the extended family thread :)
And yes, think i was having a down day when i wrote that...today the sun is shining and life is good :)
x
I have done about 5 weeks of the freedom programme. I truly believe that it has been a big help in keeping me from returning to my ex partner. It really does open your eyes to the abuse your suffering, particulary mental abuse. An amazing book acompanies the programme, if I had my way i'd make sure every woman was given a copy!
Hello sparkly eyes
I am glad you have found the Freedom programme so helpful and that it has facilitated your understanding of what went on in your relationship. I have heard nothing but praise for the programme. I would just point out that there are also many men that suffer abuse within relationships and if books are to be given out, it would be great to go to everyone...including potential abusers (male or female) as it might help both parties understand more about the nature of abuse.
Good luck. sparkly eyes, as you move forward in your life, that is great news! :D
Hiya Sparklyeyes84
Big up The Freedom Programme!!
I am in complete agreement, I think the Freedom Programme is so very clever at unpicking all those thoughts that we have had, or continue to think and setting what is true and right from all the rubbish.
So glad you are enjoying the experience and you have your suit of armour, properly secured in place!!
Best of Luck. What are you discussing next week?
Dear wiseowl, i've been on the Freedom programme cos i too have a longstanding hangaround who still invades my thoughts, hopes, dreams and home too. we have a child together and he still hoping that we can still get together, we split up 15 years ago. From the programme i learnt that certain personalities can be highlighted as good behavour with abso no self development needed once the other partner is reduced into an indecisive sniveling no speaking robot.
I was reduced, became very quiet amd broke everything i touched in my life, he then looked and felt that he was quiet a together sorted person. Has he was a control freak, and everthing was controlled but as life is not, thankfully, and has its own rules eg fate, positive intentions coming back to you via in this case an old friend who i bumped into who i hadnt seen for ages and then promptly burst out crying because she wanted to know where the old me was, the day she made friends was because i would put something positive in her life and now that woman was gone. I was aghast. I liked me too but my old me was a fantasy that would sometimes visit me in a hazy dream.
The freedom programme showed me that its an awful active template, my downfall was his reflection.
I felt cannibalised but he has to love himself and learn to let go, if i was his i'm sure cupid etc would have stepped in, as for the next guy its going to take years to shake off my learnt behaviour. i try to take small steps cos i go quiet too - oh i just cant go there again and its better when the dragons are faced.
Hi petrie
Thanks for joining in this conversation and thank goodness for your friend, who reminded you who you once were and what a changed person you had become.
I love your statement of
my downfall was his reflection.
very clever!
At the end of the Freedom Programme there are the Warning Signs and I think all users of One Space who are thinking about future partner should read it. As for going quiet, I guess if you are with the right man, then you will feel the safety of being able to speak freely of your opinions and thoughts.
15 years is a long time to have someone hanging around for that you are no longer in a relationship with, is it because of the contact with his child, or will he just not go away! :?
Hi all
I can't believe we have not been talking on this thread for 9 months, please lets keep this thread going, it can be an inspiration for others to find out more about it, a place to share our experiences or a place to support one another who are still dealing/living with abusive ex partners.
Hi there to all you lovely people who have finished the Freedom programme :D - Here's a place for us to meet up and chat about anything we may want to chat about - especially if anyone is having any particular problems :roll: or just wants to chat :?: or give out information that may help others :idea: ! Hope to hear from you all soon :) !! Luv Elissa x