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Formica

I guess this topic has been done to death. Here we go again. I've brought up 2 children on my own, with a contribution of £4.50 a week, for 4 years,  from one of my childrens fathers. The other father paid nothing. Neither father particularly bothered with the children. Instead one decided to go on lots of holidays, safari's , ski-ing 4 times a year, he got married again,  got divorced again,  smoked 40 a day and went on more holidays. Yet the CSA deemed that his self employed earnings meant he should contribute £4.50 a week. 

Our child, who i sheilded from this lack of financial and hands on support; started to grow up and ask more and more probing questions about why he went away without her, why he was always telling her he had no money when he kept going on holidays. I made up stories to protect her, i could see it was upsetting her deeply,  he rarely had time for her. 

The CSA told me that the  father of my other child was depressed, and therefore seemingly granted total immunity of all responsibilities towards our child. I wrote to my MP, i wrote to the CSA complaints department, i have a stack of papers knee high full of letters to the CSA going back 10 years. Most went unanswered by the CSA. Phone calls to the CSA revealled that my previous conversations had been lost, i was sent to wrong departments, told they'd be in touch, i'd never hear a thing again. I've been at this for 16 or more years now. Now both fathers dont pay a penny, the CSA remains silent and ignores my letters. The last i heard about father no.1 was that he owed me a lot of money in back dated non payments, they said they were going to take his driving liscence away, and take him to court. I never heard another thing, my letters requesting information ignored. 

And yet, not all government departments are so incompetent. I got a smashing letter from the working tax family people, asking me for the return of £8k in overpayments, to be paid by the next month. I sat in front of the WFTC papers for days, trying to work out what i'd done wrong, i got a mate to help, we discovered that it was the WFTC peoples fault. I had sent the correct information. I wrote back, they replied, "yes although we did miscalculate your earnings, you still have to pay the money back." ( that's basically what the letter surmounted to, it was full of jargon and complex rules and reasons explaining why even though they f***** up, it still wasnt their fault) 

Back in the naive days of my late 20's i was granted legal aid for my divorce. I used to own my own house, i sold it to buy another one with my husband, same price, different location. When i got divorced i went to court to keep my house, my husband wanted half. We argued through solicitors, it went to court. I was told i could keep the house, and then i got the 20k legal bill and the letter explaining that when i sold my house i was to pay the 20k back to legal aid.  20k to be told i could keep a house which was already mine. Solicitors dont you just love them. 

As i said, i've brought up my children virtually on my own, apart from the occasional weekend and night time stop over, which i had to beg the father to consider. 

I find myself sometimes jealous when i hear of other divorced couples arguing over visiting rights, because my childrens fathers seemed to want to see as little of their children as possible. I listen to single parents bickering with their exes on the phone, and i find myself wishing my exes  even bothered to reply, they ignored any pleas from me. I try to remain positive and not slide into a world of cynical eye rolling, but its a struggle sometimes. 

My children are now grown up, they both love their fathers, which i feel proves that i kept my mouth shut and did a great job of covering up. I worked hard to support my children and sometimes had to leave them for days while i worked away ( when they were older teenagers) . I did shift work from 3am to 2pm and managed to bring in enough to pay childminders .. I never seemed able to find registered child minders, they were as rare as hens teeth, so i couldnt claim assistance on child care fee's. It certainly was a scary struggle quite a lot of the time, often i'd think i was going nuts or was nuts, many times i defaulted on the mortgage repayments , and we often have baked beans and i'd worry that i might crack up and the children would be taken away. 

I think i probabably did crack up, but there was always work and homework and lots of things to do which meant i just had to get on with it. The children kept me going. I worked and worked, and cried with the unfairness of it all, i wept for myself and for the children who kept saying, why hasnt dad arrived yet? ( when yet again, father no.1 had promised to come and visit but never turned up .. for 10 years)

Thinking about the past sends a chill through me,  i  have a constant fear that tomorrow i might be back in that dark place of struggle and fear, with the children looking at me waiting for mum to make everything alright.

We've done it though, we came through, although i might have financially spoilt my children in their late teens, because finally i'd worked my way up to be able to afford to send them on holidays and buy them ipods, xboxes and buffy cd's :) In retrospect, the early hard days were best because i had more time with my children, but the more i worked, the later the hours, the more responsibility i took on at work, the less i saw of my children. The guilt is bad, and its compounded because i know i am the only parent really that they have, though i wish that wasnt the case. 

 

Anyway, there we go, yesterday it was my birthday and both children forgot , however my daughter asked me he other week to put more money into her account because she wanted to buy her dad a present,  obviously that has to be a good sign , i've managed to keep the truth away from my daughter, that her father is ( can i shout now? i've kept my mouth shut for so long ) A F***ING SELFISH NASTY HUMAN WHO DIDNT DESERVE SUCH A CLEVER BEAUTIFUL DAUGHTER! AND the CSA are a load of *****! 

Thanks, i feel better for that, and to all the lone parents out there, who are left to do all the bringing up and financing of their children alone , well done keep up the good work and dont worry, you will come back as a meerkat next time and will never have to do any ironing again. 

 

Posted on: September 4, 2010 - 11:59am
sparklinglime
DoppleMe

I can understand your anger and frustration.

I call my ex The Git...  But he should be moving away soon, with his wife The Gittess.  I'm hoping things will be calmer (for me) then.

I have to say I did remind my children about my birthday, or I'm sure it would have gone by, forgotten - and they're all at home.  I had a lovely home-made card (which I love, we do home-made cards here) and a £1 bar of Aero.

I simmered though for three weeks, and last Sunday I had another non-birthday party.

My oldest is 18.  He has had difficulty coming to terms with what we've lost.  I was sitting up with him until 4am discussing things, and he now knows why we lost the house.  He knows The Git hardly pay anything (and that will stop now, as he's going to university for four years.  His wife won't be required to cover anything), The Git has never supported them either - emotionally now, never mind financially.

In your case, I'm afraid I would be blowing up with your daughters.  How dare they forget your birthday!  I'm sure they will be shocked too, to know they have.

My lot love their father too.  I pat myself on the back for that!  I so wish they hated him though...

Be proud of all you have achieved.  You know you've done brilliantly.

But please Formica.  Tell them.  Tell them how gutted you are that your birthday passed without a card or a phone call.  They really need to know.

I avoid ironing at all costs... Cool

Posted on: September 4, 2010 - 12:41pm

Bubblegum
DoppleMe

Hi Formica : )

I commend you for everything you've done, through everything despite of everything.

Well done you. :)

You are perfectly justified in feeling the way you do, I think anyway and you come across as being rather positive and confident.

Your post was a good read.

:)

Posted on: September 4, 2010 - 1:05pm

Formica

Ah bless you my dear, i will indeed :) I send you a virtual hug for your achievements too. My next goal is to make lots of money and set up a single parent charity. I know i'll get a lashing for saying, i want to help all those single  mothers out there, but lets face it women are the majority, and its generally the men who are not taking parenthood seriously.

I feel for all single parents, but i seriously think its time some education about child rearing and responsibility was given to young boys. As parents we're expected to rear 'good upstanding hard working' nice people. Makes good sense for the country, and yet women are often left to flounder while men ( i said it again) are allowed to walk away from their responsibilities. Why is that? I asked the CSA how many single parents havent been paid and what majority are women and the lady said , yes youre right it is mostly women who are owed money, men make up a very small percentage. 

Isnt this an issue for the NCPCC?  Is it just me who see's this as a case for the court of human rights? Are women being treated unfairly here, or am i just imagining it? Children are being neglected by their fathers and no one appears to do a thing . The media reports just how bad the csa is, and still , nothing happens. No one seems to sue the CSA for incompetence , no one seems to push the CSA to dish out punishment to these errant parents. 

How can one person physically work full time, and also be there for their child; educating them on life and making sure they grow up to be well rounded human beings, (while paying childminders in order that you can work)? Its impossible,the parent becomes worn down and of course when the child reacts , the finger of blame points to .. the single parent. The single parent , hated and vilified and blamed for societies woes, with their nasty loutish children. 

I see single mums, bless them struggling away, trying their best to cope loading themselves with guilt because they know there's a lot they can't do because they are exhausted and skint. Blaming themselves when things go awry with their children, because after all, lets face it , there's no one else to blame, she's on her own guiding the child! 

There's something wrong with this society mostly run by men. i am not a man hater. I am more a lover of equality , equality for all, that's what i preach. 

Women are being dealt a sh*tty hand, and children are suffering because of it. It's child cruelty on a huge scale, and yet......... nothing happens. I think its time we ladies, strong and courageous, masters of diversification rose up and used the internet seek change in this outrageous situation. Doesn't the government care about children? Surely that what its saying?  We could do a Lysistrata, the play by Aristophanes. I'll come up with something original but meanwhile the assistance of a female celebrity would work wonders. 

Posted on: September 4, 2010 - 1:51pm

sparklinglime
DoppleMe

I'm not a man hater...

And there are poster's here who are father's raising their children alone, who are equally strong - after all, those raising the children without support have little choice.

I've almost decided which direction that I'd like to go in life, and it is hopefully to someway help young people.  My son hit a crisis when he was 15, and this was made far worse by the 'other' parent cancelling contact time.  Those issues have been greater than the money really - although I'm angry about money at the mo! Cool

I've been doing loads with Scouts too, and in some way I'd like to be able to help teenagers of lone parents (maybe) come to terms with what is going on.  I don't even know if such a service exists though - maybe there's a niche for me!!

 

Posted on: September 4, 2010 - 2:18pm

Bubblegum
DoppleMe

Speaking as a bloke I have to say that many men if left to deal with the situation as many women are will get on with it, I think that the thing is that it is much easier for the man to walk away, it's just more acceptable and by acceptable I maybe mean like, yeah it happens, men! blah de blah de blah...

When a baby is born many men are pushed to the side or given a set defined role anyway, one that is secondary in many ways to that which is given to the mother. Supportive? you know, do this, do that, while the mother gets on with the 'important' stuff. These are roles that are defined or ingrained by our society, all the institutions that are involved in the whole baby thing from the start, men and women are given or expected to do specific things.

It's perfectly possible for these rolls to be interchanged if people are allowed to do so.

:)

I've been on my own since my daughter was five months and managed quite well all on my own, the fact is that I did everything from the beginning anyway as my wife had her own issues to contend with. What I'm saying is that from my own personal experiences and I'm nothing exceptional is that, 'that' nurturing what ever, the whole dealing with babies apart from giving birth and breast feeding is inherent in us all somewhere, maybe not everyone but the majority at least.

I was thrown in at the deep end so to speak and just got on with it like any other person would if they had to, they are my children and I love them.

Things get all mixed up and foggy when all the hate and resentment that exists between the two adults gets injected into the equation and people start using the children as tools in their relationship with the other partner.

That's what I think anyway : )

Posted on: September 4, 2010 - 3:10pm

Bubblegum
DoppleMe

Sparklelime the man hater : ) that paints a foreboding mental image : )

Posted on: September 4, 2010 - 3:11pm

hazeleyes
DoppleMe

Am lost for words. Need I say more, for those who know me!!!

Posted on: September 4, 2010 - 10:24pm

sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Smile

Posted on: September 4, 2010 - 10:44pm

Bubblegum
DoppleMe

I had this image of knives and stuff..

Sorry : (

Posted on: September 5, 2010 - 12:17am

Louise
Parenting specialist DoppleMe

Hello formica

What a very powerful post! I am Louise, one of the moderators of the site. You are very welcome here

You have really been through the mill and draw a powerful comaprison between the behaviour of the CSA and the bloodhound mentality of the Working Tax Credit people. I know of many people who have had a similar experience. That is not to say that it is remotely acceptable. As to what is to be done about it, I have not got the answer. Wasn't "Lysistrata" the play where the women went on sex strike? Surprised

I do think that making it a woman-man thing is not entirely accurate. 10% of single parents are men and, as Bubblegum says, it is just that it seems more "acceptable" for men to walk away. I have recently done a research study about mothers who live apart from their children and the stigma they can suffer is really significant. Why is this stigma not applied to men who ignore their children too? I expect that would alter the behaviour of some of them Laughing but I don't know how we change these social attitudes. The media has a lot to answer for, in my opinion, but don't get me started on that one.....and you are quite right, the finger of blame is pointed at the parent whether they work or not, with no thought of any support to the person who is trying to be Superman or Wonderwoman for their children.

Formica, to say you have done a fab job is totally inadequate. My children are now 21 and 16 and I splt from their father 13 years ago so I have some experience of what you have been through.

 

Posted on: September 5, 2010 - 7:40am

Formica

Hello Louise, 

Thank you for welcoming me, lovely to be here.Lysistrata was indeed the play about women going on sex strike Wink You're right its not entirely accurate that its a woman-man thing, as you point out, 10% of men are single parents, so its a 90% women and 10% man thing. 

Today i heard on the news that a lovely old man is taking someone to the court of human rights, because they are building a house which will overlook his garden, resulting in him being unable to walk around his garden naked any more. Bless him. Meanwhile, what percentage of children are left without any support from one of their parents? 

I find it outrageous, but tonight i am too tired :) Perhaps that's the problem, those who are left to cope alone are just too tired to shout any more :( 

Posted on: September 10, 2010 - 7:32pm

sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Well, I know I feel washed out this evening.

 

Posted on: September 10, 2010 - 7:52pm

hazeleyes
DoppleMe

You ok Sparkling?

 

Posted on: September 10, 2010 - 7:54pm

sparklinglime
DoppleMe

Nope.

But I'm about to open the wine! Smile

Posted on: September 10, 2010 - 8:00pm